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| Quote ="Memony"To be fair, I doubt that DW dug into his own pocket to fund the Fielden transfer, the club would have done, DW would have been a guaranteur maybe... Perhaps the shelling out of so much money has left the club in a bigger mess than we are/were aware off...'"
I have always been under the impression DW would give the club the money it needed. When he owned us we were not as I understood it run as a self sufficient going concern. The revenue from all his sporting interestests went into one big pot and he fed the money out as needed.
So when a record transfer fee was required for Fielden, the money was made available. I also doubt the club had that much money sat in the bank to pay Bradford anyway.
On a much smaller scale DW was like the rich bloke who owns Man City who is currently rumoured to be offering £100M for a Brazilian player. That sort of cash is not in City's bank account but that of their owner.
Likewise I doubt Wigan had the money for Fielden readily available at the time but DW did.
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| Quote ="Owdpopularsider"Re The Stadium situation........
1. If we don't buy beer food from the stadium THEY will put our rent up!! Surely the cost of the lease has been agreed for future years when IL bought the club and does not reflect the projected beer sales.
2. Weve got a great deal on the lease of the stadium!!
Yep the lease is that great that when the most important home game of the season is due to take place @JJB we have to up sticks and play it in Cheshire.
Sorry but I fail to see how "We are the greatest club in the World" when we can't play our home games at home due to some tin pot football club.'"
I don't understand what you expect him to do about it? A lease is a lease - "the greatest club in the world" does not have the money to build their own stadium and got in dire financial straights ten years ago which is why we are where we are. You cannot just change a lease because the tenant later decides its "unfair".
What I do hope is that relations between the clubs improve so that this issue of a "conflict of fixtures" is relaxed a little. Perhaps media growing bored of the story will help things. If you were in DW's position and you were getting lots of criticism in the powerful realm of football, perhaps you would do what you could to try and preserve the pitch.
Furthermore rents are altered by way of rent reviews that occur every few years (as stated in the lease) and if circumstances change the landlord can up the rent if it has the evidence (such as decrease in revenue through beer sales) to back it up.
Without seeing the lease but after listening to Ian last night, we have a good lease because we pay a low rent and take all revenue from all corporate sales and events. We have to take the stadium company issue on the chin and aside from that see that we're not in so much of a bad situation.
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| Quote ="Pemps"I have no knowledge of this but I'd imagine the rent is agreed beforehand but only up to a point. Maybe they have regular rent reviews i.e. every couple of years and this is when the stadium would review the situation.'"
I would agree with this. The building i work in is rented from the council and each year the rent is reviewed (and increased ). I would imagine that the same would apply for the stadium.
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| Quote ="Pemps"I have no knowledge of this but I'd imagine the rent is agreed beforehand but only up to a point. Maybe they have regular rent reviews i.e. every couple of years and this is when the stadium would review the situation.'"
They don't it's just another simpleton assumption from someone else who did not listen.
He merely said we got a cheap deal (over a long period) as the Stadium Company can capitalise on beer sales.
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| Quote ="Steinlager"Or people summarise the major talking points and not how they were presented. We all know how the major weekly gripes would have been addressed, but its the justification and explanation behind these answers which is what makes these events worth going to.
Frankly if you are that concerned then you should have made more effort to go, obtain more detail or simply not jump to conclusions that match your opinions.
There's no contradiction in the idea at all, it was no confirmation, just a wave to satisfy the simpleton cynics who would have turned up crying about no signings.
It will be confirmed to the media at an arranged media date, besides the fact it has effectively been confirmed in national and international media for months. In many articles the Roosters confirmed he was signing for Wigan due to SC reasons (fundamentally impossible without him signing for another club).
Also Wigan have not released one image of a kit, with said new sponsor on. People merely think they have.'"
i thought i read earlier that somebody (a mod?) had an official picture but was keeping it under wraps?
probably a wind up
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| Quote ="Cruncher"That's one way to look at it. Another would be that he answered the question perfectly reasonably - the meat of which answer has now been outlined on this forum several times since last night.
Perhaps you should go to one of these forums and make your objections in person. It's almost impossible for those who attended to describe everything that was said on a message board.'"
Well since the feedback thread was merged into a 30 odd page pre meeting thread I must have missed his response
As to attending I live in Chester and while some may travel a distance to attend such events for various reasons I can't justify it. I do well to get to all the home games in a season as it is.
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| Quote ="DaveO"I have always been under the impression DW would give the club the money it needed. When he owned us we were not as I understood it run as a self sufficient going concern. The revenue from all his sporting interestests went into one big pot and he fed the money out as needed.
So when a record transfer fee was required for Fielden, the money was made available. I also doubt the club had that much money sat in the bank to pay Bradford anyway.
On a much smaller scale DW was like the rich bloke who owns Man City who is currently rumoured to be offering £100M for a Brazilian player. That sort of cash is not in City's bank account but that of their owner.
Likewise I doubt Wigan had the money for Fielden readily available at the time but DW did.
Dave'"
It's that method of running a club that will count against us in the competition for SL lisences and leave us in a worry position should anything have happened to/with the benefactor.
Also his wealth would only ever be an advantage when paying transfer fees, which is a rare occurence in RL, and in a bidding war, which is even rarer.
A self sufficient club is the way forward.
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| Quote ="wigan pie man"i thought i read earlier that somebody (a mod?) had an official picture but was keeping it under wraps?
probably a wind up
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You've heard wrong, there is not a 100% official picture of kit in the public domain.
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| Quote ="Bernard Long in exile"And Tuson.'"
Actually, did anyone else notice that Tuson wasn't mentioned at all? Or was he? He definitely wasn't on that slide where they were talking about an elite squad of younger lads, or whatever it was called. Was he on the squad list? I couldn't see all the way to the bottom of the slide from where I was sitting (on the floor between two bins).
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| Post forum IL video is on the website:
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| Quote ="Rilo"Post forum IL video is on the website:
[urlhttp://www.wiganwarriors.com/news_full.asp?newsid=4436[/url'"
Seems quite apparent in that the new sponsors will be unveiled with the new kits.
The new kit announcement will always attract a lot more attention than sponsorship news, and that kind of oppurtunity is of particular interest to a new sponsor wanting to showacase their brand and investment.
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| I come away from last night with a new sense of excitment about the future of this club..all three guys impressed me
this morning i'm alot happener..yes the whelan business still angers me but theres nothing we can do
there is alot more positive things happening than negative..the youth structure IL explain and the fact there know being payed good money was the big thumbs up for the night for me.
we seem to have a guy in Hogan thats at the top of his business
Noble impressed me greatly with is enthusiaum
overall for me the club looks like its getting back on track and i'm willing to wait..IMO were in the best hands
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| Quote ="Steinlager"Or people summarise the major talking points and not how they were presented. We all know how the major weekly gripes would have been addressed, but its the justification and explanation behind these answers which is what makes these events worth going to.
Frankly if you are that concerned then you should have made more effort to go, obtain more detail or simply not jump to conclusions that match your opinions.'"
Frankly you are unaware of my circumstances to come out with statements like that.
In any case hardly think commenting on your opinion Wigan are going do make announcements in a certain way by pointing to them doing the opposite is jumping to conclusions.
Quote There's no contradiction in the idea at all, it was no confirmation, just a wave to satisfy the simpleton cynics who would have turned up crying about no signings. '"
So basically when it suits their purpose they won't stick to the policy on announcements. There's a surprise.
Quote It will be confirmed to the media at an arranged media date, besides the fact it has effectively been confirmed in national and international media for months. In many articles the Roosters confirmed he was signing for Wigan due to SC reasons (fundamentally impossible without him signing for another club).'"
Which is of course nothing like the same sort of conformation/announcement you claim the club will engage in from now on. Roberts is still not a confirmed signing by the club but it suited them to wheel him out. I am sure this new announcement policy will be bent as they see fit.
Quote Also Wigan have not released one image of a kit, with said new sponsor on. People merely think they have.'"
I know. It was tongue in cheek hence the smiley.
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| Quote ="DaveO"Frankly you are unaware of my circumstances to come out with statements like that.
In any case hardly think commenting on your opinion Wigan are going do make announcements in a certain way by pointing to them doing the opposite is jumping to conclusions.
So basically when it suits their purpose they won't stick to the policy on announcements. There's a surprise.
Which is of course nothing like the same sort of conformation/announcement you claim the club will engage in from now on. Roberts is still not a confirmed signing by the club but it suited them to wheel him out. I am sure this new announcement policy will be bent as they see fit.
I know. It was tongue in cheek hence the smiley.
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They 'wheeled him out' as a treat for the fans, quite a few of whom he chatted to and signed autographs for.
Why is this an isue for you?
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| Quote ="Nucking Futs"I was sitting (on the floor between two bins).'"
That's no way to talk about your mother...
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| Quote ="Owdpopularsider"Re The Stadium situation........
1. If we don't buy beer food from the stadium THEY will put our rent up!! Surely the cost of the lease has been agreed for future years when IL bought the club and does not reflect the projected beer sales.
2. Weve got a great deal on the lease of the stadium!!
Yep the lease is that great that when the most important home game of the season is due to take place @JJB we have to up sticks and play it in Cheshire.
Sorry but I fail to see how "We are the greatest club in the World" when we can't play our home games at home due to some tin pot football club.'"
What happens when:
The current owner of the stadium is no longer around?
The football club are relegated, have smaller crowds and the pitch isn't subject to madia scrutiny?
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| Quote ="DaveO"Frankly you are unaware of my circumstances to come out with statements like that.
In any case hardly think commenting on your opinion Wigan are going do make announcements in a certain way by pointing to them doing the opposite is jumping to conclusions. '"
What I'm saying is people have taken the major issues, and made their own demands regarding what constitutes a satisfactory response from the club.
They didn't give us these but informed they had been resolved and actually gave us a lot more information on the events surrounding them. Not only that, but how things have been put in place, and changed. For instance the design of next year's kit begins next week.
So many useful and great points has been, and my point was not a critisism of your attendence, but your conclusions based on the basic summaries I am referring to. I did include that in my initial reply to you Dave.
Quote ="DaveO"So basically when it suits their purpose they won't stick to the policy on announcements. There's a surprise.
Which is of course nothing like the same sort of conformation/announcement you claim the club will engage in from now on. Roberts is still not a confirmed signing by the club but it suited them to wheel him out. I am sure this new announcement policy will be bent as they see fit.'"
Again jumping to conclusions or merely just being a cynic. The lad had landed, jet lagged and just seen the club for the first time. He's been told a lot about the supporters and the club, I can only imagine it would have been in his interest and that of the clubs to show up.
We have not announced the signing as he has not been registered as it would constitute a rule break, but there was no harm in showing him the fans.
If they had all the media there and announced him as a new Wigan player to all and sundry, you may have a point, but the chairman said clearly that he will be announced as a Wigan player on the arrival of George Carmont's passport.
They simply don't want to have eggg on their face to the rugby league world and also want to play by the rules in their view too, something we've lacked over recent years.
Quote ="DaveO"I know. It was tongue in cheek hence the smiley.
Dave'"
There really hasn't, if you was referring to what people are dubbing an 'official' image you'll find it is nowhere near, representing no contradiction on the club's behalf.
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| Quote ="MR FRISK"was the pie ans peas supper good
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Got mine at the same time as Brian Noble, he asked for some mint sauce to put on his pie, he said it was 'a Yorkshire thing'.............strange, but true.
p.s. They did'nt have any.
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| i was tempted to go and play some bingo but i managed to get to the fans forum!
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| Quote ="twosevenzero"Got mine at the same time as Brian Noble, he asked for some mint sauce to put on his pie, he said it was 'a Yorkshire thing'.............strange, but true.
p.s. They did'nt have any.'"
mint sauce on pie is wrong on so many levels.
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"mint sauce on pie is wrong on so many levels.'"
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| Mint sauce on a pie????
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| Quote ="Pemps"Mint sauce on a pie????
NOBLE OUT!!!!'"
Just stick his face on a mock-up of the new shirt and its as good as done.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Just stick his face on a mock-up of the new shirt and its as good as done.
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New shirt?
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