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| Quote ="loyal18"IMO we should stand by hock ,yes he made a mistake , but after all hes a wigan lad and a great player , he will learn his lession and im sure he aint the only player to take drugs.'"
Disgraceful comments condoning a criminal act its illegal to purchase and possess class a drugs against the law hes taken them hes a professional he should know better kids look up to him he should be banned for life.
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the first 2 mention its limited (and therefore some) enhancing effects
The second is a forum so I wouldnt pay too much attention to that.
Lastly, Cocaine is a performance enhancer. It has performance enhancing properties including improvements on recovery from fatigue. Yes it has negative effects but it is still a performance enhancing drug.
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the first 2 mention its limited (and therefore some) enhancing effects
The second is a forum so I wouldnt pay too much attention to that.
Lastly, Cocaine is a performance enhancer. It has performance enhancing properties including improvements on recovery from fatigue. Yes it has negative effects but it is still a performance enhancing drug.
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| Quote ="RyanWire"the first 2 mention its limited (and therefore some) enhancing effects
The second is a forum so I wouldnt pay too much attention to that.
Lastly, Cocaine is a performance enhancer. It has performance enhancing properties including improvements on recovery from fatigue. Yes it has negative effects but it is still a performance enhancing drug.'"
Straw, clutch, straw.................
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Unless you snort a line at half time, I'm pretty certain the effects are minimal.
If you are going to "cheat" then there are much better performance enhancing drugs than Cocaine.
Ask the 100m runners........'"
no one said that there arent better options for cheating. I simply said it was a performance enhancer and it is despite your protestations.
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| Quote ="REDWHITEANDBLUE"Disgraceful comments condoning a criminal act its illegal to purchase and possess class a drugs against the law hes taken them hes a professional he should know better kids look up to him he should be banned for life.'"
Easy tiger! Purchase, possess, that sounds libelous to me.
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| Quote ="RyanWire"
no one said that there arent better options for cheating. I simply said it was a performance enhancer and it is despite your protestations.'"
By that definition so is coffee, so is food, so is sleep.
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"Straw, clutch, straw.................
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its a performance enhancer. Medical journals state this.
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| Had kind of a weird feeling when I heard the news earlier, part of me felt really gutted because Hock is one of the few players who I thought actually took pride in the shirt, however now I'm not so sure.
The other feeling was that his name did not come as a surprise because he has always struck me as exactly the kind of idiot who would do stuff like this.
I don't think the club have any option but to terminate his contract, to do otherwise would send out the wrong message to every player within the club and to the game and media as a whole.
As for the rest of the side I have a sneaking suspicion that Hock is not alone in his actions and as advocated earlier would test the lot of em regularly from now until the end of the season.
The club needs to regain its discipline and as such I would go one step further and impose an alcohol ban as well.
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| Quote ="loyal18"IMO we should stand by hock ,yes he made a mistake , but after all hes a wigan lad and a great player , he will learn his lession and im sure he aint the only player to take drugs.'"
He has to prove he will learn a lesson imo to stand any sort of chance of a future here.
He should be made to-
Go on some sort of rehibilitation course
Take regular club tests when/if he does come back
Make some sort of statment apologising to all the people he's let down(granted the lads not a public speaker so let somebody else read it)
Make a promise to keep himself in a good condition so he's ready to make a comeback.
If he can keep to all those aswell as probably a couple more things the club could think of then he should stand a chance of a future within the game at Wigan. I suppose everybody deserves a second chance and if the likes of Feka and Greg Bird can be given them then maybe Hock deserves one aswell(aslong as he sticks to any promises).
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| Maybe there's a career for him in athletics. Dwain chambers thought he could come to rugby league when they banned him.
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| Quote ="wireontour"Maybe there's a career for him in athletics. Dwain chambers thought he could come to rugby league when they banned him.
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He's ugly enough to be a Womans shot putter so you may be onto something
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| Quote ="XBrettKennyX"By that definition so is coffee, so is food, so is sleep.'"
t'others arent illegal though are they soft c*ck
He's a drugs cheat. Simple as
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| He isn't the first to be caught either. Ryan Hudson got a 2 year ban for failing a drug test. IMO they should be banned from competing in professional sport. This doesnt set a good example to children.
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| Quote ="shooter69"i d say 80% HIS doing beek i ve worked on door in ashton for 4 yrs an wigan , irlam an you would nt beleive the amounts an the age of the ppl using coke , an i live in st.helens an drink round there its madness'"
80%
Don't talk utter bollox
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| Quote ="wireontour"He isn't the first to be caught either. Ryan Hudson got a 2 year ban for failing a drug test. IMO they should be banned from competing in professional sport. This doesnt set a good example to children.
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Difference is, Hudson took an over the counter tablet from Australia, not an illegal grade A substance
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| Even the "best" player in the world at the time Andrew Johns later admitted to using drugs. Went down in my estimations after that.
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| Quote ="EVERTON WARRIOR"Maybe a points deduction system against teams should be introduced in addition to individual player bans/punishment?
Im not saying it would solve the problem but maybe it would make players think twice about their actions knowing that they would be letting down their fellow team mates who do abide by the rules?
I dont know if its a viable option but maybe its possible.
Thoughts?
FWIW i dont think i have ever felt so down about Wigan RL as i do today.
the club seems to have lost its soul for me.'"
It would certainly make clubs more likely to weed out and line up any drug takers within its ranks and fire them off. I think Wigan should take a hard line over this matter and test our players off our own backs. Drugs in pro sports is a big no no.
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| Quote ="cmscwarn"No offence here but.....
I dont know what you do but i bets its a lot easier to find a replacement for your role in your company than it is to find a replacement for hock.
Of course if it was feilden then i wouldnt be as bothered about him being released because:
a) hes on a huge salary and we can get better cheaper
b) he has underperformed for 2 years
c) isnt a local player
d) when his ban is finished he would be 32-33ish'"
None taken mate.
Hock is replaceable - he's a good player but there is always someone better or will be better in 2years time ie. Mossop/Farrell.
Hock had his chance he half took it, then he thought he was King Ding and blew it all away. IMHO he should be sacked.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"Difference is, Hudson took an over the counter tablet from Australia, not an illegal grade A substance
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So if coke was legal and available over the counter in colombia that would be acceptable
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| Quote ="RobotMonster"It would certainly make clubs more likely to weed out and line up any drug takers within its ranks and fire them off. I think Wigan should take a hard line over this matter and test our players off our own backs. Drugs in pro sports is a big no no.'"
Thats along the lines i was thinking when i made the original post.
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| It's interesting how people's reactions throughout RL differ from thier reactions to the St Helens academy player who failed a drugs test for cocaine.
As I said at the time, would the same treatment which he got be given to a top player, and everyones reactions be the same. I've got my answer I think..
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| I believe that if everyone was tested this weekend for example there would be a lot of players panicking.
We all know the rumours about other players at different clubs as well as just wigan (and I know that is all they are),but why dont the authorities knock it on the head now and set the right example.
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| Quote ="wireontour"Even the "best" player in the world at the time Andrew Johns later admitted to using drugs. Went down in my estimations after that.
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I know. I don't see why players do it. I just can't see the logic with such short careers and usually they don't get a life changing amount after it.
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