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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Thanks for update Stu.
Brings a lot more clarity but unfortunately the oversight still remains with us.
Not sure why a SF should trigger a change particularly when the unlimited subs presumably is for young players welfare.'"
Oh yeah its a poor look for the game no question.
Saints will now have their achievement downgraded a little (if we win) given that Saints and Wigan are the top 2 teams and have won one game each against each other this season. This would've been the decider. The coaching staff will have watched videos on Wigan alll week and now have a different opponent.
The players at Wigan are now denied a chance to play in a Final
The Warrington lads haven't trained all week and are now called back to play in two days time.
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| Quote ="Stu M"Just found out more about it. Not trying to defend Wigan by any means but it seems that for regular season games there are unlimited subs. Its not like SL whereby if a player is injured they'll carry on playing after being strapped up. At Academy level any sign of an injury and they are subbed straight away. Given that this has been the norm over the season, Wigan have carried on in this way.
Both sides were told that given it was a SF there would only be 8 interchanges but it seems like somewhere in the middle of it all, this has been ignored.
Apparently Warrington didn't make an official complaint as such, they just referenced the fact that for future knockout games there should be interchange officials available. Its then snowballed from there and as soon as a Board meeting was called there was only ever going to be one outcome and a precedent set.'"
I am shocked,so sorry for the lads.I now can see the issue with your explanation Stu but it still rests on Wigans shoulders.
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| Quote ="Stu M"Oh yeah its a poor look for the game no question.
Saints will now have their achievement downgraded a little (if we win) given that Saints and Wigan are the top 2 teams and have won one game each against each other this season. This would've been the decider. The coaching staff will have watched videos on Wigan alll week and now have a different opponent.
The players at Wigan are now denied a chance to play in a Final
The Warrington lads haven't trained all week and are now called back to play in two days time.'"
Poor look is too lenient in my opinion. Shambolic is for me more accurate. I’d love have a chat with the people who changed the rules to listen to their rationale.
This unfortunately still doesn’t get us off the hook as we did not adhere to the rules and the players have been let down by the club.
A sorry situation for the game and particularly for the players involved.
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| For some of these Wigan lads, it might be their last chance of winning a trophy as some may not make it in the professional game. It should have been the highlight of their short life and a memory that no one could take away. That’s been denied to them and I feel so sorry for them.
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| Seems that when w@nky where doing their match review they spoted that Wigan had made to many interchanges .
They therefore reported you to the RFL
Am still going but won't be enjoyable as a Saints v Wigan final would have been
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| Quote ="Stu M"Oh yeah its a poor look for the game no question.
Saints will now have their achievement downgraded a little (if we win) given that Saints and Wigan are the top 2 teams and have won one game each against each other this season. This would've been the decider. The coaching staff will have watched videos on Wigan alll week and now have a different opponent.
The players at Wigan are now denied a chance to play in a Final
The Warrington lads haven't trained all week and are now called back to play in two days time.'"
Acctualy wire have been training all week
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| Quote ="RobRiches"For some of these Wigan lads, it might be their last chance of winning a trophy as some may not make it in the professional game. It should have been the highlight of their short life and a memory that no one could take away. That’s been denied to them and I feel so sorry for them.'"
Yeah, this would likely have been the pinnacle of some of the lads careers and it’s been taken away.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Thanks for update Stu.
Brings a lot more clarity but unfortunately the oversight still remains with us.
Not sure why a SF should trigger a change particularly when the unlimited subs presumably is for young players welfare.'"
That’s a very good question
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| The game is just so amateur at times! the biggest game of the season results in a reduction in the amount of officials involved and a change in the seasons rules! Absolutely incredible that but we’ve still massively messed up and the young fellas pay for it.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The game is just so amateur at times! the biggest game of the season results in a reduction in the amount of officials involved and a change in the seasons rules! Absolutely incredible that but we’ve still massively messed up and the young fellas pay for it.'"
Just to clarify, my understanding is that they didn’t change the number of officials for the SF, there’s been no interchange official all season at Academy level.
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| Quote ="Stu M"Just to clarify, my understanding is that they didn’t change the number of officials for the SF, there’s been no interchange official all season at Academy level.'"
Fair enough, it seems our fault then. I keep reading people calling cheating against Wigan but it feels anything but. It just feels like a scenario where somebody had been a bit dense and they’ve been caught short.
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| Quote ="Stu M"Just found out more about it. Not trying to defend Wigan by any means but it seems that for regular season games there are unlimited subs. Its not like SL whereby if a player is injured they'll carry on playing after being strapped up. At Academy level any sign of an injury and they are subbed straight away. Given that this has been the norm over the season, Wigan have carried on in this way.
Both sides were told that given it was a SF there would only be 8 interchanges but it seems like somewhere in the middle of it all, this has been ignored.
Apparently Warrington didn't make an official complaint as such, they just referenced the fact that for future knockout games there should be interchange officials available. Its then snowballed from there and as soon as a Board meeting was called there was only ever going to be one outcome and a precedent set.'"
Just returned to the forums to point out this is wrong. Academy games are all 8 subs the same as with all other levels of the professional competition. It is also exactly like Super League in that players get strapped up and carry on. Basically your whole post is untrue, nothing changed for the semi finals and they adhere to the same interchange rules as SL.
As you rightly pointed out later, there is also no reserve ref appointed to any level of academy rugby bar the final so no one to manage the subs (on the odd occasion you get a young match official doing it voluntarily). They're generally reliant on the honesty of the clubs and can look back at the footage if an issue is raised.
I don't know what caused the timing issue. Possibly a late complaint. Possibly took a while to deduce what happened with the subs as there isn't a camera pointed at the bench the whole time. You would have a bit of detective work to do tracking which players are on and off. Then they would have to check in Wigan what (if any) concussion assessments happened as they can result in free subs.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Just returned to the forums to point out this is wrong. Academy games are all 8 subs the same as with all other levels of the professional competition. It is also exactly like Super League in that players get strapped up and carry on. Basically your whole post is untrue, nothing changed for the semi finals and they adhere to the same interchange rules as SL.
As you rightly pointed out later, there is also no reserve ref appointed to any level of academy rugby bar the final so no one to manage the subs (on the odd occasion you get a young match official doing it voluntarily). They're generally reliant on the honesty of the clubs and can look back at the footage if an issue is raised.
I don't know what caused the timing issue. Possibly a late complaint. Possibly took a while to deduce what happened with the subs as there isn't a camera pointed at the bench the whole time. You would have a bit of detective work to do tracking which players are on and off. Then they would have to check in Wigan what (if any) concussion assessments happened as they can result in free subs.'"
Of course it’s untrue. StuM is the biggest bull****** since king warrior on these forums.
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| Quote ="RobRiches"Of course it’s untrue. StuM is the biggest bull****** since king warrior on these forums.'"
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| Quote ="Stu M"Just to clarify, my understanding is that they didn’t change the number of officials for the SF, there’s been no interchange official all season at Academy level.'"
In professional sport there should be. There are plenty of qualified volunteers who could manage the process. Having said that, Wigan have no excuse.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"So no one can actually tell me a time, across any sport, when this has happened before.'"
No because its embarrassing and we deserve booting out because of it
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| Always makes me wonder why so many fans absolutely hate the club?
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Just returned to the forums to point out this is wrong. Academy games are all 8 subs the same as with all other levels of the professional competition. It is also exactly like Super League in that players get strapped up and carry on. Basically your whole post is untrue, nothing changed for the semi finals and they adhere to the same interchange rules as SL.
As you rightly pointed out later, there is also no reserve ref appointed to any level of academy rugby bar the final so no one to manage the subs (on the odd occasion you get a young match official doing it voluntarily). They're generally reliant on the honesty of the clubs and can look back at the footage if an issue is raised.
I don't know what caused the timing issue. Possibly a late complaint. Possibly took a while to deduce what happened with the subs as there isn't a camera pointed at the bench the whole time. You would have a bit of detective work to do tracking which players are on and off. Then they would have to check in Wigan what (if any) concussion assessments happened as they can result in free subs.'"
I’m only going off what I’ve been told. However I’m also wondering in that case that if the official mandate is 8 subs but no one in an official capacity is managing that, then perhaps coaches have an unwritten rule between them that they’ll use more subs during the regular season games.
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| Quote ="sergeant pepper"So no one can actually tell me a time, across any sport, when this has happened before.'"
Hull K R beat Warrington 18 - 13 in the 1977/78 premiership trophy but were disqualified for playing an unregistered player, Warrington were awarded the game, beat Featherstone in a 2 legged semi final then lost to St. Helens at Station Road, Swinton
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| Don't if anyone's seen it but Keith Mason's had a right meltdown on Twitter over it
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| Quote ="thesaint71"Don't if anyone's seen it but Keith Mason's had a right meltdown on Twitter over it'"
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| Quote ="thesaint71"Don't if anyone's seen it but Keith Mason's had a right meltdown on Twitter over it'"
I can’t blame him, he has been let down.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I always feel for his lad with the amount of pressure he heaps on him.'"
Not so bad.
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| Quote ="Stu M"I’m only going off what I’ve been told. However I’m also wondering in that case that if the official mandate is 8 subs but no one in an official capacity is managing that, then perhaps coaches have an unwritten rule between them that they’ll use more subs during the regular season games.'"
Some teams don't adhere to the rules because they know it's unlikely they will be caught. You don't seem to get how seriously they take academy rugby, it's nothing like a friendly. The players are playing for contracts and the coaches are coaching for their next move up the ladder as well.
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| Has anyone checked how many subs Warrington used?
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