That was just.... weak. First half some soft defence put us under the pump, second half with all those sets the attack was both predictable but profligate. We had more than enough opportunity to go win that.

Shorrocks needs a massive pat on the back and thank you for his efforts the last few weeks, and then be told it's back to competing in the backrow and he's only a 6 in extreme emergency. Tonight seemed a game too far with that sticking plaster. Not that others around him in key positions didn't have a bit of a 'mare either with some of the passing handling and decisions.

Obviously we should have won that game based on our dominance of possession and territory in the second half but better Wigan teams than that have come more badly unstuck than that at Hull over the years. At 12-0 down and the way the two sides were playing I thought we were in for a pasting. In those conditions with seven players who would have been in the 17 out, I am not disheartened by the effort shown and the relentlessness with which we wrestled ourselves on top we just lacked any creative spark to find a winner, If Hampshire or Cust had been ready to play this week, I imagine we would have scored the try we needed. Not despondent, hopefully flagged up we need to magic up an experienced forward from somewhere and get Hampshire / Cust back at 6 for Leeds

In tight moments, it needs someone like O’Neill to not try and pick out Powell on a line ball where he’s more bothered about getting smashed. Havard must have been shot after last week with how much he played tonight and then you have Byrne who had one of his poorer games again. The difference between his best and worst is too big for us to have him as a prop doing major minutes.

Poor organisation - our halves were all over the place (Smith's worst game for a long time , same thing over and over again to zero effect - turn pass inside or high kick), Powell and O'Neil on at the same time does not work, forwards were ineffective - somebody tell KPP he should be moving when he gets the ball - too often standing still when he gets it, that is where Isa was missed he runs on to the ball and gets the defense going backwards.

We didn't deserve to win as we created nothing in the second half despite all the possesion in the Hull half, never really looked like scoring - too much one out single charges going nowhere, we did not pull the Hull defense around at all. Nobody seemed to be leading the team in any way.


When did the rule about the tackle change so that defenders can hold the player down for what seemed like 20 secs at a time?

totally out coached

hard I suppose when hes on his own, the shorrocks experiment was always going to fail sooner or later, Hampshire should of played its as simple as that, as for farrell he should have worn a hull jersey, he stifled our left side more than they did, terrible display

From what I’ve seen of Farrell this year I think it’s the last one we can rely on him as a focal point in the back row. I feel sorry for Wardle, he may as well buy a season ticket and sit in the stands for the amount of quality ball he gets.

Not going to over react to that.

Firstly well done Hull. They defended great with a lot of spirit and desire.

As I said it was lined up for a banana skin tonight. Made worse by the heavens opening up after we were down 14-0

Was pleased we fought our way back into the game from and dominated the final 35 mins but just that last bit of execution was difficult.

We are so good in the grind this year and we were tonight.

Every side loses the odd game so I’m not losing sleep over it.

Takeaways going forward are -

1) I’m not bagging Shorrocks one bit, he’s a young forward playing half back and he’s done fine but obviously tonight was bad. He probably doesn’t want to play there either. Rocky to 6 next week and maybe Cust there the week after then eventually Field.

2) Think we saw tonight why Peet prefers Field at full back over french. Field is alot fitter and French looked very fatigued when we needed him to pop up with magic to get us over the line.


We’ll be fine once we have a half back at half and open up both sides of the field.

Before we decide to call for the end of players Wigan careers and say Peet has been "out coached" - stop and realise that a fat perma-tanned g!mp in purple literally gave them 14 points and 40 mins of calls.

We'll bounce back (very rare we lose two on the bounce) so onto the next one and I'm sure karma will catch up with the ref.

Undoubtedly however (& I've said this since before the season started) we need to make a mid season signing. Freshen it up, change what teams can expect from us etc.

On the plus side I thought we did well to fight our way back in the game after a dreadful start. We worked very hard in the second half and dominated territory but no cutting edge. Havard, Thornley and Miski were strong.

But no intensity in the opening half hour with some really slack stuff. Shorrocks had a bit of a shocker but we've probably been pushing our luck with him at 6. Powell is a painfully limited hooker at times. Farrell looks off the pace. Mago simply not good enough atm.

Hull wanted it more and we were miles off it in attack, but not a bad lesson and wake up call a fortnight out from the challenge cup.

Two points dropped but perspective is needed. It always looked like a banana skin tonight and it seemed everything conspired against us with the bounce of the ball, referee calls and the conditions.

Glad someone on here isn’t. Jesus the last few post you’d of thought we’d of been on the loosing streak

I wouldn’t say poor, they battled well in defence the second half, fair play to them.
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The Truman foul was great from their perspective, the perfect professional foul but from our perspective you feel something like that should almost be awarded a penalty try, the sin binning doesn’t help a great deal with 50 seconds left and then his Oscar performance while walking off the pitch to give his team mates a breather.

Im not overly worried, we managed to turn the game around after a poor start and being second best for half an hour, we win that game 9 times out of 10 imo, just our attack just isn’t clicking which can be expected with a second rower in the halves.

Dreadful isn’t it.

2 tries each in terrible conditions with 7 first teamers missing (Hull missing just Hoy) after 6 of our best players played just 5 days ago, after winning 6 games in a row including Saints and Wire.

People need perspective.

didnt see Thaler miss and tackles or drop any balls.....

The result won’t matter a jot to us in the long run but there is definitely concern building around a total lack of cutting edge close to the opposition try line. We’ll be so much more threatening from deep when Field is back but he’s not a guy who’ll pick a pass either and in the big games you need to build pressure and unlock a defence with a killer pass or a short kick. You get to Wembley or Old Trafford and it’s unlikely you go the length of the field for try’s.

What a weird post? How could he drop a ball? Tell you what he can and did do however - he can ignore two dropped balls from Hull, one of which lead directly up to their 1st try. He can also fabricate high shots and give them 2 points too.

Chicken and egg. We might have missed a few tackles, but also we shouldn't have been 10 out from our own line. We should have been 10 out from theirs with attacking ball. Big difference and all down to one see you next Tuesday in pink.

We’re in a great position and a far better position than we could’ve dreamed of prior to that Leigh game. We’d have all bit your hand off to win every game up until tonight. Even tonight, I thought the effort and guts to keep piling in during that second half was is a great sign for us. The worry for me going in to the season was around the pack but that’s eased a little and my only concern about our chances is if we can open teams up in the big games to come, when they’re tense and in the balance.

I think Harry Smith lacks that bit of innovation and subtlety close to the line. In hindsight Peet may as well have put Hampshire on the bench considering Nsemba was only trusted to play a couple of minutes.

No but he was horrific though. Poor calls on both sides.

Agree pretty much with NSW, yeah, we weren't great, and Shorrocks struggling in particular in the first half, but in the second half when he mishandled that pass, he at least recovered and put in a telling kick to force a drop-out, from which we eventually scored a try. We'll have Cust and Hampshire back soon enough. We'd all have bitten the hand off for one defeat and three wins from the last four games.

He definitely needs to work hard on his game close to the opposition line. He’s been fantastic for us this season and is developing his game nicely but everyone has things to work on.

Looked like a team full of players who had been on holiday last week.

Terrible conditions but both teams gave it there all. As a FC fan over the moon we won. You will be up there end of season . As well as Hoy we where missing Swift Savellio plus Trueman first match in nearly a year. Fair play to your fans who made the trip. Hats of to them

It's a loss but one that requires perspective. First up though, we'll done Hull. A gutsy performance where I think even their own fans would concede they were 2nd best in everything but where it mattered...on the scoreboard. Ultimately that win will do them a lot of good.

On Wigan, we had 7 players out, a back row playing 6 (more on that later) terrible conditions after going 14 down, 6 of our best playing their second game of the week and playing off the back of a major peak over the 3 derbies and we still did enough to win 2 games, never mind that one! It's a blip, not a sign of where we are.

That said, the Shorrocks at 6 stop gap has run its course. He has done brilliantly and probably deserved to hang on to his place but that should be that now. Hampshire is fit and Cust is not far off. Joe deserves to contest his place in the back row, both for himself and the team, but we can't keep going into games with no attacking threat in the halves. Smith is a terrific controlling half and, paired with running threats a la the England game he's top draw. But without that threat, his effectiveness is reduced. French gives us that but he's currently the only one so it's easy to mark him out of the game as Hull did very effectively tonight. Moreso in bad conditions.

Overall 2 points dropped but nothing significant with regards to the rest of the season. Good to see Thornley in such good form so quickly after coming back too. Let's hope Hampshire follows suit!