I know how you feel!

No problem.

I checked back last night and it was someone else who has regularly been joining our Egg Chasing friend in giving me a hard time haha

And yeah it's a shame about the Saints forum on here. I used to use it quite a bit but for whatever reason all the traffic pretty much died almost overnight and it seems everyone just goes on redvee now.

To be fair there are some good posters on Redvee. People like Reacher and Blobby take a lot of sense and contribute really well. BUt I can't deny we have our share of absolute idiots. On the issue of not being welcoming to opposition fans, I have tussled with Rogues in the past when he's on the wind up but as long as people are contributing about rugby and giving reasoned debate then I see no issue in it.

Back on topic, you do seem to get the impression that certain indiscretions are in "fashion" at the moment. It was all about the cannonball tackle a couple of years ago and now it seems the crusher is the one that's in vogue. Certainly in TV games all you have to do is hold your neck after a tackle and you have a fair chance of a penalty and a sin binning. Don't get me wrong I am sure there have been a few that have been bad but having played and watched the game pretty much my whole life I have massive sympathy with 99% of defenders who get done for these types of tackles. Everything happens so quickly and sometimes things are completely unavoidable. Add in the fact that attackers are playing up and going looking for penalties, it's not a healthy combination.

He can be a naughty boy can old Rogues.

Too much time on his hands

I think it's me you're referring to and I'll tell you why. It's clear that you're an intelligent person. I can excuse the Webbos of this world being what they are - they know no better - but when a clearly intelligent person is reduced to the same level that's an entirely different proposition.

Like others on here I blame it on the seemingly unregulated gutter that is Redvee and, before you claim "but that's other people and not me", it isn't. You're as guilty (if not necessarily as overt) as most others on there. Let me put it this way: if someone got the abuse that Rogues gets on there for, say, being black or gay would you stand by and accept it? If you did would you expect others to excuse your complicity?

I'm glad to see your recent posts have been waaayyy better. Maybe you should spend more time with the Wigan "scum" as it seems to be having a good effect on you

Looks like we might get a timely break from the rain on Friday evening - hopefully should mean some great rugby. Looking forward to this one - hope Wigan can show their best form in a big game.

Ah yes, it was you haha.

Not sure why you think I have been reduced to a particular level or that I am as guilty as anyone. I’m genuinely confused by that.

No of course I wouldn’t stand by and accept someone getting abuse based on their race or sexuality. I agree some of the stuff said to Rogues on there is out of order and I’m not going to claim complete innocence in that. But to say I’m as guilty as the rest or that I have been reduced to a particular level is wrong.

As for the last bit, maybe I’ve just grown up and realised there are far more important things in life than scoring points on a message board and arguing with strangers. If you judge me on what I do and say now and in the future then we won’t have a problem

Just getting back on topic, interesting point at the end imof the Leeds wakey game, highlighting Brett ferres reckless technique of dropping himself, one of which involved knacking someone's neck, is it becoming more widespread that players are being careless in terms of throwing themselves about?

The "reduced to the same level" comes from some of your posts on Redvee, your willingness to stand by while someone gets abused (and even join in/fan the flames) and your early record on this board.

That said, I agree that the present and future far outweigh the past as even the best of us are unable to change the latter but can affect the former so I will indeed judge from here on in. Welcome to the board (as it were)

When I was on there last when we played them a month ago, Rogues was being called some pretty serious stuff. I don't recall anyone defending him until the mods finally removed it all.

That's what I was alluding to. I think that place is a cesspit tbh. I realise it's a Saints forum but the level of abuse seemingly accepted on there is an embarrassment to the Saints club and, if they are supposed to be fans, they should be ashamed of themselves.

The main problem with it (and the reason I had a go at YG for his participation on there) is that it creates a toxic environment that goes way beyond rivalry. Rogues posted on a thread about who the top 4 was likely to be by saying Catalans were in with a shout as they had a lot of home games still to play. The level of abuse he received was appalling! Even beyond the abuse, he was accused of derailing the thread simply because he was a Wigan fan!

That's before we even get to the obscene sigs, hate speech etc.

Absolutely. You just know that sad act who spends hours of his spare time cutting up bits of tape to write messages on his van about how much he hates wigan is probably a regular on there.

Kick off delayed to 8:15 due to traffic issues for the first game

Thanks! i wondered what the hell was going on: women's football on SS Mix., and Warrington on OurLeague.

Which were you going to plump for?

Long kicking game is shocking still.

And Saints commit 2 flops in one set and nothing given. We did one and it was a set restart straight away.

Rubbish. Saints get the rough end of the set restarts

Touché.

Wtf was that set btw? 4 pathetic carries that went sideways and then a poor Leuluai kick on the 4th tackle.

Now the ref stops play to let Lomax get treatment 60 metres down the field?

Shoite defence from Leuluai and Isa again.

Annoys me that. What happened to play the ball 5m away?

If it isn't his head, carry on.

We don't look like threatening their line so far.

And just as I type that...

great effort by Bibby not to give that up.

A tough game. Disappointed in Gildart though he looks like a little boy getting battered everywhere. Attack also is just monotonous and no edge to it.

I don't think any Super League player is soft, but if I did, Lomax would be that player.