My natural inclination was to support black lives matter but once I went on their website it became obvious that they are a communist organisation- end to capitalism, end to nuclear family, abolish police etc. I detest communism and far right politics for me 2 cheeks of the same harris.

Racism? I hope these acts of racism were reported to the Police because there are laws already in place against racism. Certain occurrences can be labelled 'Hate Crimes' if they are committed against a person because of the colour of their skin and dealt with accordingly.

Spot on.

Somebody needs to change the name of this topic.

Or just delete it

They are marxists, but let's not split hairs......

Oh, i did. There is no doubt that the problems of inequality are a long long way from being solved. But you always have to be careful just who are using genuine issues to further their own, separate, issues...

The sport/politics crossover can have massive benefits when used effectively. It's very sad when others get onto any bandwagon to press their own agenda

Anything could be classified as a hate crime, for example I could call you a “white idiot” and if you are harassed/alarmed/distressed and believe it be as because of your race (white) it’s classified as a hate crime. Anyone can perceive an incident as a hate incident, they don’t necessarily have to be the victim. It’s a minefield.

Re BLM; I’m all for eradicating any form of racism from society. There is absolutely no place for it anywhere in the world in any walk of life, I find it utterly deplorable and I fully expect any SL player/coach who didn’t take the knee to have the same opinion. You don’t have to take the knee to be anti racist, you don’t have to back BLM to be anti racist either. I’ve read and listened to [isome[/i BLM members and it truly is horrifying what they’re saying or doing. Full serials of people in stab vests marching (poorly) like they’re a military unit or a police public order unit. Calling for the abolishment of the police, triggering at every stop of a BAME person irrespective of the result or cause.

If black lives truly mattered where is the outrage at the indefensible abhorrent black murders in London? Why are they not calling out the gangs? Marching against gang violence? Working with authorities to eradicate it from our streets? And whilst I know there have been marches against it by victims families and friends, It seems to be extremely selective to me. Happy to be shown to be wrong.

Black lives matter, of course they do but I feel the meaning has been lost. Originally it was to highlight the struggles, lack of opportunity, law enforcement targeting of the BAME community (the latter far more prevalent in the USA than UK) until it took on this far, far left meaning.

For the record, I’m a left leaning Labour voter and member. But the actions of some Labour MP’s make me question my political loyalty. Luckily I won’t vote Tory as long as there’s a hole in my back side.

Nb. I don’t particularly care for what political party you vote for or your views on BLM. As long as you’re not a racist buffoon I won’t be calling you out.

Why? Posters need to stick to the topic which is Brian Carney and Sky's treatment of Folau.

Agreed.

I reckon he offered his opinion and got a ticking off for it so kept quiet thereafter.

And yet it still happens, as Offiah and several other players have said.

I can't tell if you are being intentionally naive or not, but do you firmly believe every instance of racism is reported to the police and acted upon?

Theres a massive difference between racism and a hate crime. Telling a rugby player "you're alright for a black lad" isn't a hate crime or an arrestable offence, but it is racist. You're massively over simplifying the problem.

I've been told many a time 'You're alright for a pie-eater'.

Is that an offensive derogatory term coined historically that could cause offence to someone with sensitivities towards their ancestors hardships?

Are you really comparing the two?

I’m astounded you’re comparing the two to be honest. That in itself is pretty disgusting.

You can't be serious. You have to be looking for a response here. And I'm done with it

Incredible....

Ahhhh I understand now. You have minimised the reasons for the movement (note movement, not political party) to such a degree that you can't see it for what it is and therefore can't understand why people might want to support it.

Fair enough.

Did I compare the two?

I'm against any form of racism.

Its such a complex issue that people will take the wrong end of the stick, take offence, can't delve into reasons properly without someone else jumping onto the post and throwing their two pence in. This is why we should be debating rugby rather than identity politics and politics and sport shouldn't mix.

Yes, yes you did.

"He was told youre alright for a black lad" "well I was told im alright for a pie eater" literal comparison

Ah, my mistake.

I took a break to calm down as it was late last night and I was fed up of reading/hearing absolute tripe.

I thought I’d come back to the thread with a different and more balanced feeling. Reading this has done nothing but reaffirm what I said.

Racism is not just one way as many people are led to believe by the media and the left wing dominated BBC.

If you don't believe me, ask the family of Kriss Donald in Glasgow!

I think we're all aware that it's not a one way street, but in general the flow of traffic is a lot stronger in one direction.

I disagree. Racism was on it's way out after the hard work everyone has done over the past 30-40 years coupled with us in this Country and Town being welcoming and friendly on the whole. This whole marxist coup has set back race relations 30 years and thats why I don't support it.