Get him on SSP is that about £60 a week, that's a saving

only joking I hope he gets back soon and I do think he still can be as good as he once was, but we can't rush it.

Well they would have had to pay him for two for nothing instead of us as for Warrington Saints Leeds it has happen before and always will, no problem we have always had players coming through and we will carry bringing players through.

There's no disputing the quality of our player development but Sam Tomkins is completely different in my eyes. He's a once in a generation player who single handily won games for us with his explosive attacking play. There is not a single Wigan fan that wouldn't have been gutted if he'd signed elsewhere.

Sam is no doubt one of the most exciting and best players to play for Wigan. But as a marquee player and with Escare playing so well, it worries me that the money could be spent elsewhere i.e. Keeping hold of George whilst possibly offering Escare a long term deal

The club have conducted a full investigation into the number of injuries over the last two years and found no trends: www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8463214 Quote This is the second year Wane has had to deal with an unusually-long casualty list, which prompted him to delve into the issues. Wane’s staff have scrutinised their workloads to try and find ways to cut the problems. “There are no trends,” said Wane. “We’ve looked at how we’ve trained, the times we train at, I’ve looked at every possible scenario because it’s getting me down, and it’s hard work dealing with it. But there’s nothing. “If there were eight hamstring pulls, then I’d start questioning the ground we train on and how long for. “But we’ve not. There are loads of impact injuries which can’t be stopped - Oli Gildart’s was in contact, Ryan Sutton had a freakish eye injury... you can’t account for those.'"

The club have conducted a full investigation into the number of injuries over the last two years and found no trends: www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8463214 Quote This is the second year Wane has had to deal with an unusually-long casualty list, which prompted him to delve into the issues. Wane’s staff have scrutinised their workloads to try and find ways to cut the problems. “There are no trends,” said Wane. “We’ve looked at how we’ve trained, the times we train at, I’ve looked at every possible scenario because it’s getting me down, and it’s hard work dealing with it. But there’s nothing. “If there were eight hamstring pulls, then I’d start questioning the ground we train on and how long for. “But we’ve not. There are loads of impact injuries which can’t be stopped - Oli Gildart’s was in contact, Ryan Sutton had a freakish eye injury... you can’t account for those.'"

Any word on Gelling? Don't recall him returning

Making a call on Thursday. He didn't train yesterday.

He's named in the 19, but so are Gildart and Forsythe, so presumably 2of those 3 will be the centres, depending on fitness.

New updates: Escare possibly out for the season, lengthy layoff for Gelling. www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8526036

New updates: Escare possibly out for the season, lengthy layoff for Gelling. www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8526036

www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8526036 It just keeps getting worse

www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-l ... -1-8526036 It just keeps getting worse

FFS

This is just getting ridiculous now. Five players with knee issues alone!

Are we flogging our players too hard in training that they are breaking down during games?

I note the above quote from Shaun Wane and they probably have looked at most scenarios but I do wonder if he's contemplated our playing/training style as a major contributory factor into our almost season on season major injury crisis.

That's not a criticism of our style - I'm all for the tough aggressive style but I do wonder if it's starting to take its toll.

It's either bad luck or bad programming. Seeing as the club reviewed last year's injuries and concluded there was no pattern, we must be the unluckiest team around?

Its our own fault for winning everything in the 80s and 90s, karma and all that

Get the kids in, too many aussies, do i look like Phil Bailey, lenegan out etc.......

How big is our sick bay? And are we going to need more physios?

So bored of this now, beyond a joke. Not too bothered about injuries so long as they can get back and be playing at the business end of the season.

Sharrocks, flower, Escare all out for the season already, maybe at clubb to that. Will be surprised if we can win something this year which is annoying as I feel we have the best squad on paper, just can't keep them fit.

Escare never had a problem with is knees when playing for Catalans.

It's just so frustrating.

I hope they keep plodding along and giving it their all. We cannot ask any more but it must be so deflating for the squad as a whole.

To put it all down to luck would seem unlikely but you have to trust the staff. They've got the results over the past few seasons even with this sort of injury trot.

I never had a problem with my knees until I did.

What a ridiculous comment!! Players get hurt playing rugby league. Sam Tomkins never had trouble with his ankle until he went to NZ so their training systems must be terrible! Matty Smith never broke his leg at Wigan so Saints must be a terrible club! Ben Currie hurt his knee playing against us but it must be Warrington training methods that are at fault!

Many of our injuries are collision injuries and are unavoidable. Our squad is widely regarded as one of the fittest in the competition but they're not machines.

Maybe the ground at Cas was harder than normal last week? Maybe it could be all kinds of things but I'd say it's rotten luck, nothing more, nothing less.

Three players with season ending injuries at Cas in two games.

Not sure what this means mate. If there was a problem with the ground players of other clubs (and Cas) would sustain similar injuries. I'd still say bad luck.

Same argument as with Widnes and their pitch, innit?

I honestly think the answer to our crippling injuries are closer to home.