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| Quote ="Aboveusonlypie"
It does seem odd that Sale don't just offer to buy out his contract. Because you would think that if that happened Cas are on to a loser. They can't keep an unhappy player who is being offered say three times his current salary to play another sport.
I wonder how legally binding most of these contracts are anyway. Take the case of Kevin Larroyer at Hull KR. It seems wrong that they can unilaterally cancel a two year contract because they get relegated.'"
It will be a term of his contract that it can be cancelled if the club is relegated because of the stupid RFL rule that says players from relegated clubs become free agents. It's one of several reasons why P&R is financially such a disaster. This has nothing to do with how binding a contract is (or isn't).
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| Quote ="[Gareth"If he retires then he isnt in breach of contract. Imagine if another player retired and then went to work as a joiner etc... the company who employed them wouldnt be liable for anything'"
It is not as simple as that. The courts may well take the view his retirement is nothing more than a ruse to break his contract and/or that Sale induced or advised him him to "retire" that in order to break his contract. Courts interpret the law and don't just apply it in as black and white a manner as you suggest.
The Tony Pulis case has also shown contracts are enforceable (he has been deemed to have broken his by leaving Palace when he did so is not eligible for a £2m bonus and must pay it back).
It's not in Sales's interests to weaken contacts in general anyway. It may seem as they are the ones to benefit if this ruse works but if Josh or Solomona decide they don't like RU Sale would soon whinge if they "retired" from RU leaving them high and dry.
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| [urlhttp://viewtopic.php?f=2&t=600801&start=166[/url
It's Wigan's fault that Solomona has "retired" and is going to Sale. The VT has just reached peak anti-Wigan bollox.
Quote ="Tigerade"Exactly Slugger. It wouldn't surprise me if Wigan were involved in this as well. They have form in these sort of dealings.'"
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| Haaaaa! I knew it was coming, called it early in this thread!!
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| So Rosberg has now retired from Formula 1. Maybe he has signed for Sale Sharks too!! (Sorry, couldn't resist)!
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| Phil Clarke once played for Wigan. Solomona's agent is Phil Clarke's brother.
Bloody Wigan again!
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| Quote ="Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy"[urlhttp://viewtopic.php?f=2&t=600801&start=166[/url
It's Wigan's fault that Solomona has "retired" and is going to Sale. The VT has just reached peak anti-Wigan bollox.
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Absolutely. Because it's our sole purpose in life to undermine Castleford RL.
If we don't do that, there's nothing down for us.
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| Quote ="DaveO"It will be a term of his contract that it can be cancelled if the club is relegated because of the stupid RFL rule that says players from relegated clubs become free agents. It's one of several reasons why P&R is financially such a disaster. This has nothing to do with how binding a contract is (or isn't).'"
I think that came as something of a shock to the player concerned. Hull KR found themselves in a right pickle. I don't think they ever considered relegation right until the 79th minute against Salford. The chairman castigated Walker for getting a move to Saints (I know there were other rather unsavoury considerations, which I won't go into here), lauded Lunt for re-signing quickly whilst casting Larroyer adrift.
I agree that P&R is potentially a financial disaster. It needs to be managed better. I understand that was part of Jamie Peacocks job description.
I know you have been against P&R in the past. How do you feel about Leigh gaining promotion now? It seems to me that their ambition has been rewarded finally, as it should be. Super League shouldn't be a closed shop IMO.
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| Sale have well a truly lost a paying customer over this. I pointed out on twitter that as a fan I was disappointed in the way the club has gone about his.
Blocked by the club, blocked by the head of media, blocked by Solomona, blocked by Charnley.
Charnley is the most disappointing as he outwardly said he was trying to wind up Rugby League fans on his twitter. I said it was a poor do if you go out to wind up the people who pay their hard earned money to support him and his his sport. Blocked for telling a guy that fans matter to sportsmen.
All in all, I am retiring from Sale Sharks (along with the rest of my family). I wonder if I get my money for tickets back? Very much doubt it, but I am free to sign with another club now.
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| Quote ="jimlav"Sale have well a truly lost a paying customer over this. I pointed out on twitter that as a fan I was disappointed in the way the club has gone about his.
Blocked by the club, blocked by the head of media, blocked by Solomona, blocked by Charnley.
Charnley is the most disappointing as he outwardly said he was trying to wind up Rugby League fans on his twitter. I said it was a poor do if you go out to wind up the people who pay their hard earned money to support him and his his sport. Blocked for telling a guy that fans matter to sportsmen.
All in all, I am retiring from Sale Sharks (along with the rest of my family). I wonder if I get my money for tickets back? Very much doubt it, but I am free to sign with another club now.'"
Fair play to you and I wish more Sale fans were as morally sound as you, but I'm afraid you're very much a minority. And to be honest if Wigan pulled a similar stunt to this (I'm sure we have at some point) I'd probably get over it pretty quickly; how do you get people to care about things like this that have no care for Rugby League?
As for Charnley I'm not surprised as his loyalties are with Union and Sale now so he's not exactly going to be calling them out publicly is he?
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| Quote ="Orrell Lad"Phil Clarke once played for Wigan. Solomona's agent is Phil Clarke's brother.
Bloody Wigan again!'"
Lol Wigan always seem to get it. Although a little digging around at Company's House shows that the Sports Management Company behind all this (i.e. Outside Sport/Andy Clarke) also has a director called Phil Clarke. So we may need to pay attention to all those players getting extra praise on Sky next year because they may all literally be Phil Clarke's boys. Very murky indeed.
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| Quote ="PurpleCheeseWarrior"Fair play to you and I wish more Sale fans were as morally sound as you, but I'm afraid you're very much a minority. And to be honest if Wigan pulled a similar stunt to this (I'm sure we have at some point) I'd probably get over it pretty quickly; how do you get people to care about things like this that have no care for Rugby League?
As for Charnley I'm not surprised as his loyalties are with Union and Sale now so he's not exactly going to be calling them out publicly is he?'"
I think Charnley should have enough sense to just keep out of it. He played out his contract and moved as a free agent. He also left with a lot of respect for the way he finished his time at the club so he should have kept his head down IMO.
The actions of Solomona, Sale and his agent in all this are dispicable and Charnley doesn't need to drag his own name through the mud.
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| Charnley certainly seemed to be enjoying winding fans up over Solomona and he appearing for Sale, and was pleased he had landed some big ones..... Must be using a maggot for bait...
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"Charnley certainly seemed to be enjoying winding fans up over Solomona and he appearing for Sale, and was pleased he had landed some big ones..... Must be using a maggot for bait...'"
This is what I replied to saying 'poor do if you are genuinely trying to take the p*** out of fans that work hard to support their sport!Thought better of you'.
Now i'm blocked.
Never lost respect for someone so quickly. People work hard to watch these sportsmen, paying hard earned cash. They have the right to an opinion, but he doesn't care one bit for that. Would do him well to remember why they get paid.
Wigan players have the same attitude, as shown with the way Tomkins attacked Bilko. Lost a lot of respect for him as well.
All in all it leaves a bad taste in my mouth the way this has all been handled, and the way Sale have reacted to me having an opinion on that means I am very unlikely to spend any more of my money on tickets or merchandise.
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| On the flip side there's a lot of this 'poor Cas' from the majority of RL fans for which quite correctly they have been hard done to. But I do wonder would we have received the same levels of sympathy had we lost our superstar winger under the same circumstances?
I do doubt it!
After the behaviour of a large number of their 'fans' towards us in our last meeting at theirs (including a grown man breaking the nose of a young female Wigan fan) I find it difficult to find any sympathy for them.
Obviously the bigger picture is troubling for the sport, which is concerning.
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| Quote ="MattyB"On the flip side there's a lot of this 'poor Cas' from the majority of RL fans for which quite correctly they have been hard done to. But I do wonder would we have received the same levels of sympathy had we lost our superstar winger under the same circumstances?
I do doubt it!
After the behaviour of a large number of their 'fans' towards us in our last meeting at theirs (including a grown man breaking the nose of a young female Wigan fan) I find it difficult to find any sympathy for them.
Obviously the bigger picture is troubling for the sport, which is concerning.'"
Let's not judge a club by its worst supporters. I certainly wouldn't want to be associated with some of the halfwits I share a stand with on match day. I've met many decent, reasonable Cas fans. Having said that, I agree, there would be a lot less sympathy if it happened to us. Cas are hurt more by this situation than we would be though, they have fewer stars to rely upon, they won't have the luxury of a Tierney waiting to take over, and they may not have the money/prospects to attract a top quality replacement. I also think a lot of fans are eager to see someone new win the SL, it has been 12 years since we had a new winner after all. They will therefore naturally support the cause of anyone who isn't Leeds/Wigan/Saints.
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| Quote ="MattyB"On the flip side there's a lot of this 'poor Cas' from the majority of RL fans for which quite correctly they have been hard done to. But I do wonder would we have received the same levels of sympathy had we lost our superstar winger under the same circumstances?
I do doubt it!
After the behaviour of a large number of their 'fans' towards us in our last meeting at theirs (including a grown man breaking the nose of a young female Wigan fan) I find it difficult to find any sympathy for them.
Obviously the bigger picture is troubling for the sport, which is concerning.'"
Which is exactly the argument I have made to all Cas fans who demand that Rugby league supporters back them up. Where were they when other players walked out on contracts? Willie Mason did pretty much exactly the same thing from memory. Why should we care now, if they didn't care then.
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Let's not judge a club by its worst supporters. I certainly wouldn't want to be associated with some of the halfwits I share a stand with on match day. I've met many decent, reasonable Cas fans. Having said that, I agree, there would be a lot less sympathy if it happened to us. Cas are hurt more by this situation than we would be though, they have fewer stars to rely upon, they won't have the luxury of a Tierney waiting to take over, and they may not have the money/prospects to attract a top quality replacement. I also think a lot of fans are eager to see someone new win the SL, it has been 12 years since we had a new winner after all. They will therefore naturally support the cause of anyone who isn't Leeds/Wigan/Saints.'"
Correct. Cas have perhaps more than their fair share of idiots, but that stems from 'little dog syndrome'. Quite a few of them are okay, though.
The real villain in this, for me, is Solomona himself.
I didn't care much for his attitude when he was a Cas player, certainly when playing against us. So it hardly surprises me that he's done this to them.
But to walk away from a contract midway through is not just unmanly behaviour, it could have nasty repercussions for everyone else. I hope they succeed in throwing the book at him and his agent - and maybe Sale too - if for no other reason than to prevent RU chancing their arm this way again.
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| Cas fans can cry until they are blue in the face for all I care. I personally hope they fight this, lose and go under like Bradford.
At the end of the day Solomona is a mercenary and i don't blame him. I'd go for the cash if I was in his place because, let's face it, I'd rather make my money young and not have to find alternative work when my rugby days are over.
Time clubs like Cas realised that there's a bubble outside of thier own self interests. Far too long have clubs like cas, Wakey and Hudds dragged & held the British game down. How they can expect sympathy from clubs like Wigan or Wire beggars belief when they've purposely voted to hold them back for almost 20 years now.
If you want a paupers game then players will leave. It's not rocket science here and it's certainly not some corbyn socialist playground. Scrap the cap and at least let those who can take the fight or make life difficult for RU do so.
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| Cant agree with you he had a contract, what would have been said if he broke his leg the day after signing his new contract and Cas kicked him out....would not have been right and been illegal, only the same
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| Quote ="Pieman"Cant agree with you he had a contract, what would have been said if he broke his leg the day after signing his new contract and Cas kicked him out....would not have been right and been illegal, only the same'"
It's that very threat that means he needs to make as much £ as possible for the longest time possible.
ATEOTD if he's getting his market rate then he'll be content, but if say another couple of sides like Wire and Sale come in with considerably more to offer then Cas either pay him what he's worth or let him go. That's even before you factor in length of contracts etc. If he moves somewhere on a four year deal then that's more money and more security should the worst happen.
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| It's all Phil Clarke's fault according to Cas fans because he is named on his brothers company. Sod all to do with Solomona or Sale.
Oh and he apparently wants throwing off Sky for touting players to his brother and praising players
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| Disgusted with the whole situation.
Hope Castleford receive substantial compensation from all three parties.
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| Quote ="Pieman"Cant agree with you he had a contract, what would have been said if he broke his leg the day after signing his new contract and Cas kicked him out....would not have been right and been illegal, only the same'"
Actually, If a Super league player is injured for 9 months out of any 12 month period, they can be sacked from the remainder of their contract. This is awful for player welfare because it means that players nearing that mark can rush themselves back, potentially causing more long term damage, all down to the fact that their contract can be voided.
However, this is a specific clause in the contract. I think this should be taken out of contracts!
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| Has the VT spontaneously exploded yet?
[urlhttps://twitter.com/WiganWarriorsRL/status/809402691898277888[/url
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