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| Quote ="Dave26"Because we haven't lost when Hansen didn't play doesn't mean he wasn't missed. Can you be sure the team wouldn't have played better if HH had been playing? You can win a game by 2 points, or you can blow a team away by 40 points, both would be wins but the performance completely different. Surely the only way you could prove he hadn't been missed would be to prove that if he played, the performance from the team would have been equal or worse, you can't prove that, so I don't see how you can claim you are correct and everyone else is wrong? It has been suggested (and I agree) that had HH played against Crusaders we may have conceded less points due to mistakes by (I think) Tuson, so that would suggest that he was missed in that game at least?
Slightly OT but who would you sign on the same wages to replace these average at best players?'"
? Because I commented on several players not being good enough it's now upto me to recruit and replace? No.
If I thought you were honestly looking for a general chat on who I rate in RL I would have discussesd. However, considering the nature attitudes in here it was probably a prompt to get me to name players to then have a go at my picks.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"You are right to a degree. The amount of cr@p people get in here at times is shocking, even when they have a valid point or whether it's just an opinion. So forgive me for sticking one back.
I never even mentioned the cr@p I got a few years back for suggesting Sam would be a good FB.
The rest is history.'"
I don't think I've read a thread where so many people have disagreed with the op. Not one has agreed with you yet. If we were to lose to Hull KR or Catalans next week does that mean, in your eyes, that we have missed him because its all down to one player and not the team or the squad depth.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"? Because I commented on several players not being good enough it's now upto me to recruit and replace? No.
If I thought you were honestly looking for a general chat on who I rate in RL I would have discussesd. However, considering the nature attitudes in here it was probably a prompt to get me to name players to then have a go at my picks.'"
That wasn't how it was intended, of course it's not up to you to recruit and replace, I would be interested to see which players you would rate as equivalent or better than those you named, sometimes as a fan of a team you have an exaggerated view of it's players.
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| Quote ="Dave26"Because we haven't lost when Hansen didn't play doesn't mean he wasn't missed. Can you be sure the team wouldn't have played better if HH had been playing? You can win a game by 2 points, or you can blow a team away by 40 points, both would be wins but the performance completely different. Surely the only way you could prove he hadn't been missed would be to prove that if he played, the performance from the team would have been equal or worse, you can't prove that, so I don't see how you can claim you are correct and everyone else is wrong? It has been suggested (and I agree) that had HH played against Crusaders we may have conceded less points due to mistakes by (I think) Tuson, so that would suggest that he was missed in that game at least?
Slightly OT but who would you sign on the same wages to replace these average at best players?'"
in that case then do you mind telling us how much money all these players are on so we could have ago then?
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| Quote ="Pengy"in that case then do you mind telling us how much money all these players are on so we could have ago then?'"
Haha point taken
What I was getting at was that they aren't players on top wages (I guess ).
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| Quote ="Barmy Salami"I don't think I've read a thread where so many people have disagreed with the op. Not one has agreed with you yet. If we were to lose to Hull KR or Catalans next week does that mean, in your eyes, that we have missed him because its all down to one player and not the team or the squad depth.
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I would imagine the majority of posters on here are from marsh green or some other classy upbringing, probably the same mindless idiots who shout the most retarded comments down at the DW.
I find it laughable that I think there is only one other poster who actually understood my point.
Was he missed? No. How can back up such comments? Because his absence didn't effect the results. We've won all the fixtures since his injury.
Hansen has many qualities as a player, but did his absence effect the outcome of the fixtures he missed? No.
People mentioned well did we miss Pat? Yes. Pat not being there to convert cos us points. Him not being there in the WCC was v costly.
One idiot tried to compare it to the one game we won without Sam and Joel (Huddersfield) just demonstrates the lack of smarts in this forum to make such a comparison.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"I would imagine the majority of posters on here are from marsh green or some other classy upbringing, probably the same mindless idiots who shout the most retarded comments down at the DW.
I find it laughable that I think there is only one other poster who actually understood my point.
Was he missed? No. How can back up such comments? [uBecause his absence didn't effect the results[/u. We've won all the fixtures since his injury.
Hansen has many qualities as a player, but did his absence effect the outcome of the fixtures he missed? No.
People mentioned well did we miss Pat? Yes. Pat not being there to convert cos us points. Him not being there in the WCC was v costly.
One idiot tried to compare it to the one game we won without Sam and Joel (Huddersfield) just demonstrates the lack of smarts in this forum to make such a comparison.'"
you dont know this, we could have scored more and conceded less with him playing. Its all speculation not fact.
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| Quote ="Dave26"Haha point taken
What I was getting at was that they aren't players on top wages (I guess
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ha i know i was just joking really. out of them players name i would say goulding is the most average player. I like micky mac and coley and hansen is a work horse but i do think alot of wigan fans overate hansen. To say he is our best 2nd rower after hoffman is laughable imo! he reminds me of jamie jones buchanan for leeds. Gets through alot of work for the team but doesnt do anything spectacular!
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| Quote ="Pieman"you dont know this, we could have scored more and conceded less with him playing. Its all speculation not fact.'"
But what isn't is our record in his absence.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"But what isn't is our record in his absence.'"
But we havent played anyone good yet in his absence, he played against Saints and Huddersfield when we won. He was on the bencgh and went off injured against Cats so that tells you a story doesnt it?
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| Quote ="Pieman"But we havent played anyone good yet in his absence, he played against Saints and Huddersfield when we won. He was on the bencgh and went off injured against Cats so that tells you a story doesnt it?'"
Do you think Hansen being out alll season could potentially cost us the title?
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| The backs have clicked since he got injured. That has nothing to do with Hansen. Stupid argument.
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| Some weird threads and comments on this board at the moment. First on another thread we see Wigan fans acting like the season's already over and conceding a league and cup double to the Wolfs (it's not even June yet!!! ), then a thread criticising Madge and now a thread having a pop at HH....
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Do you think Hansen being out alll season could potentially cost us the title?'"
no, nor do I think that of any player. Do you think that of any player?
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| Quote ="Ambassador Pineapple"'"
I agree with this..... OP is just making himself/herself look silly... Its a squad game...
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| Quote ="Barmy Salami"I'm not saying you're wrong, I'd just like to see these threads we're some fans are conceding the league already to Wolves and the Maguire bashing one. As for this thread, it's just silly.'"
"Wire fans getting carried away (just a bit)..................."
"Is Madge focussed on Wigan"
Not all of the posters on those threads are coming out with nonsense, but there is some cringemaking stuff on there.
We are Wigan fans. Our team are the champions.
We should fear no-one, especially not a team like Dire, with a proven track record of flattering to deceive. We should back our own players and coach unless we are given a reason to do otherwise.
We have the two best players in SL - Paaaaaaaaaaaat (how we missed the presence of the great man in the early part of this season) and Sam. Let's leave the opposition - whoever they may be - to worry about those two, two of the greatest RL players in the SL era.
People seem to be in some sort of ridiculous panic about the Wolfs' pack, frankly it's embarrassing to see from Wigan fans. This isn't the mid-noughties side. We have a very strong pack which may be in a flat spot of form, but it's a long season and there are no prizes for peaking in May.
When you think that we have Hock and Fielden to come back into the side, this makes it even more ridiculous. What a massive boost that will be as we approach the business end of the season. The bottom line is that our pack is second to none, including Wire's. We should leave the worrying to the opposition and concentrate on delivering the potential of the best squad in SL.
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| Quote ="Pieman"no, nor do I think that of any player. Do you think that of any player?'"
Hansen's contribution is replaceable, in his absence we cam be just as strong as we have players who can do what he can do. However there are several players which offer something more unique to the team.
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Pat Richards-best winger at the club. His conversations can win a game. This has been proven.
Sam Tomkins-offers so much strike in attack, make so many meters and is SL deadly, we have no one like him in the team.
Was H missed? No. Cos others can do what he can do, he's a solid yet average SL player. Many many better SRs in SL.
I have nothing against H. But I do have something against the attitude and behaviour of several posters. Hence the whole purpose of this thread.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Hansen's contribution is replaceable, in his absence we cam be just as strong as we have players who can do what he can do. However there are several players which offer something more unique to the team.
For example.
Pat Richards-best winger at the club. His conversations can win a game. This has been proven.
Sam Tomkins-offers so much strike in attack, make so many meters and is SL deadly, we have no one like him in the team.
Was H missed? No. Cos others can do what he can do, he's a solid yet average SL player. Many many better SRs in SL.
I have nothing against H. But I do have something against the attitude and behaviour of several posters. Hence the whole purpose of this thread.'"
Goal kicking (error)
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| To quote Deano G "We should leave the worrying to the opposition and concentrate on delivering the potential of the best squad in SL" Thats so true in sport, nothing worse that seeing one player is not availiable, just to see another one step up to take his place of similar ability. THAT'S why HH is important, not as an individual, but as a member of a squad.
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| That shot he took off morley 9/10 players would have dropped that ball
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"Hansen's contribution is replaceable, in his absence we cam be just as strong as we have players who can do what he can do. However there are several players which offer something more unique to the team.
For example.
Pat Richards-best winger at the club. His conversations can win a game. This has been proven.
Sam Tomkins-offers so much strike in attack, make so many meters and is SL deadly, we have no one like him in the team.
Was H missed? No. Cos others can do what he can do, he's a solid yet average SL player. Many many better SRs in SL.
I have nothing against H. But I do have something against the attitude and behaviour of several posters. Hence the whole purpose of this thread.'"
did we lose games when Richards was out due to goal kicking? Did we win games without sam? Your argument isnt valid.
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| The arguement is only valid if you know the results IF HH had played. But we don't.
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| Quote ="Pieman"did we lose games when Richards was out due to goal kicking? Did we win games without sam? Your argument isnt valid.'"
Hansen is replaceable. And wasn't missed we did lose games due to kicking (Richards) and Sam clearly offers something which others dont.
Out of interest where in Wigan do you come from and how old are you?
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