Actually, a free kick is the technical name for the second phase of a penalty kick to touch

I'm an ex-ref, but thanks for your cv

Say someone was sliding over the line with the ball grounded and was elbowed/kneed by a covering defender.

Prime example of an 8 point try.

OK

why not just see who can spit further, or burp the alphabet?

Ok........

The only example I have to hand of an 8-point try was Leigh vs Catalans in the previous round of the Challenge Cup.

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Whilst you can't really see what happened, it looks like a Leigh player dives at JPB's legs to try and stop him scoring, he puts the ball down and falls over the Leigh player.

Prime example of why, if Kirkstaller is correct about the application of the rules, the rules are daft. That doesn't seem to deserve the extra kick at goal. Today's incident certainly did.

Some of us may remember an incident at Farewell Sunday, the last match at Central Park where Danny Moore tackled (I think) Kevin Iro as he was scoring. When I watched the Sky footage afterwards, they clearly discuss the possibility of an 8-point try for it, but conclude there was no penalty to give after consulting the video referee.

If it had actually come down to being the difference between winning and drawing (or losing), then this debate would rumble on for years. I expect instead the rule will be "tweaked" for clarity, and in future a similar incident would DEFINITELY receive the extra kick for goal.

Fair enough, still seems strange that a team can have a bloke sent off yet no penalty awarded to the opposing team.

I see where you're coming from, but like I said earlier, if a player gobbed off at a referee during a conversion and was sent off, would you expect a penalty for that?

He does not know the rules. I've seen other examples of refs not knowing the rules this season.

But with all due respect, how is a player gobbing off at the referee when play is halted comparable to foul play whilst the ball is in play (when a player is scoring a try)? A fist to the head is surely an offence that warrants a penalty to be awarded, had it occured on the twenty metre line a penalty would have been given? Seems a little strange.

Had Tomkins not scored then a penalty or penalty try would have been awarded. I know it sounds tough getting nothing for it but that's what the rules say. Ganson doesn't have the power to tag on another penalty - strange as it sounds, he awarded Wigan the advantage by awarding the try.

Like I said, the 8 point try rule should IMO be revised to cover incidents like todays.

The referee can dismiss any player at his discretion without awarding a penalty to the opposing team.

My team got a pen after the try at Wembley in 1980 !!!!!

Was only a 7 point try that one !!!

Yeah, just one of those daft rules I guess. Would like to think the RFL would look at this incident and possibly think about changing the rule, we can live in hope eh?

Only if the ref is 100% he'd have scored

I recall us getting a similar thing happen v Leeds a few year ago when Garry Connoly took Steve Prescotts head off and he dropped the ball whilt falling over the line, we got a penalty but no try

Steve Prescott has no head ?
Wow he must carry the torch !

Yeah I was assuming he would still have fallen over the line. Yeah I remember than Connolly incident and thought it was really harsh.

What [iwas[/i he doing then?

Well refs arent allowed to asume















Im sure the resident whistleblower in this thread will correct me if im wrong but i dont think an 8 point try could be allowed also, if say Tomkins would have grounded then 5 secs later whilst on the turf celebrating ,Raynor would have hit him

heading towards line in a diving motion

what if he had dropped it ?

Give him a minute, he's climbing down from his high horse. When he does respond will you ask whether he has any reffing experience? I don't think he mentioned.....

Are you Richard Silverwood?

That is correct, it's only if a player is fouled whilst touching down. I admit it's up to the referee to determine how long it takes for a player to 'touch down' but I don't think an 8 point try would be awarded in the above example.

You've pulled the same card, so don't criticise me for it.

You've still not presented a credible argument against the points I made. I understand that this incident involved your club, but you need to take a step back and look at the rules objectively. If that today had happened to Sinfield or McGuire I would be saying exactly the same thing.

I'm sure we will see clarification from the RFL this week. Until then, I will retire to my own board.

Says on BBC that Potter is to discuss the red card with Cummings. Quote I'll go through the appropriate channels. I thought he was trying to stop the try. '" news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 488522.stm

Says on BBC that Potter is to discuss the red card with Cummings. Quote I'll go through the appropriate channels. I thought he was trying to stop the try. '" news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 488522.stm