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| So much will depend on injuries - or lack of them. The team amongst the recognised top 6 that suffers the least will probably challenge Wigan the most.
Several teams ( Saints, Wire, Huddersfield and Leeds) have a team of 13/17 that may well match Wigan. Where Wigan currently have a big advantage is that we could have half a dozen or even more injuries and still not significantly weaken the team - hence all the discussion about who to leave out at MM, despite already having a few key players out injured ( Richards, Finch - maybe a couple of others, Gleeson, Fielden, Hansen).
If Eastmond or Pryce is injured Saints will struggle as they did in the GF. If the other teams lose more than a a few players, as they inevitably will in the course of a season, they will also struggle.
Fingers crossed, but Wigan seem to have an even stronger squad than last year - Lima, Hoffmann and Finch instead of Feka, Bailey and Ainscough/Phelps. Plus, our youngsters are a year older/better - Faz, Tuson, Goulding, Charnley, Micky Mac. Losing Riddell is the unknown factor and hopefully we will find the right solution with a combination of MM, Tommy, Deacon or Logan.
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| Quote ="jdrocket"The point is still valid.
It was a hypothetical, you don't get credit for working that out.
The point is... If we had Brett last year (the variable) and he made (let's say) 90% of his kicks, Wire would be top?
And he is right.
Your point only works if he didn't qualify it with Brett. If he had said say... If Westwood was a better kicker, we would have been top.
You see? I may be confusing the issue.'"
....and since when was Hodgson a good enough kicker to put 90% over? He kicked 72% last year. Interestingly Westwood kicked 80% so I really don't think it would have made that much difference.
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| Warrington - This is the best shot they have ever had at winning the league IMO, quality from 1-17 and good depth. I reckon they will finish 2nd then choke in the play offs as usual.
Saints - They're bound to be up there, they will miss Cunningham but they are a young squad so I expect them to improve overall. A lot depends on whether they can keep hold of Eastmond and keep him fit. 3rd but no final.
Huddersfield - Are a really solid squad and having players representing England will be good for them. 4th and no final
Leeds - Will probably suffer injury wise due to the age of their squad but if McDermott's smart he'll have them all fit and raring to go come the play offs. 5th then a great play off run to make the final.
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| Quote ="Yed"
I'm not saying winning the double isn't possible but it is a massive ask mentally nowadays with a few teams so evenly matched.'"
Indeed. Just winning the GF takes an oustanding effort.
How's your team doing on that score......
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| If Saints can avoid the injury mire they got themselves in last season they will be very tough to beat. Their strongest XIII looks very good on paper
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Absolute rubbish.
Buderus 33
Cross 32
Kirke 30
Lautiti 31
Lauluai 32
Peacock 33
Senior 34
Sinfield 30
Webb 30
JJB 30 this year.
That's 10 out of your normal starting 17.'"
Well you wont win owt with kids...
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| Hudds the team to watch this season showed some outstanding rugby last season and i think they stand a good chance of reaching the gf this year alongside us warriors
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| Do like the look of our squad this year. Three great signing in Perry Shenton and LMS. Throw Soliola into the mix also and we now have a pack as apose to just Graham and Puletua. Correct the key will be the fitness of Pryce and Eastmond. Foster, Dixon, Ashurst and Lomax will all of benefited from the game time they were forced to experience last year through our injury crisis. Agreed Wigan are the team to beat but Saints should never be written off.
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| Hi all ,Looking forward to the game on saturday . . Wigan have quite a few injuries to contend with and saints are almost full strength.
Look at the likely lineups ,and if anything saints look slight favourites on paper.
1 Wellens Tomkins
2. Gardner Goulding'
3. Shenton Gleeson?
4. Wheeler Carmont
5. Meli Roberts
6. Pryce Deacon
7. Eastmond Lieuleui
8. Scarsbrook Lima
9. Roby Mcillorum
10. Graham Coley
11. Soliola Tomkins
12. Flannery Hoffman
13. Wilkin O loughlin
14. Moore Prescott
15. Clough mossop
16. Puletua Tuson
17. Dixon Farrell
Now out of the 2 teams i see saints having the better players in 12 of the 17 positions ,but the games not won on paper ,thats why saints have to play well and have the right gameplan.Hopefully with the play of the ball being speeded up as well this year,you wont have the same advantage with the 3 men lying on in the tackle as you had last year..BRING IT ON!!!
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| Quote ="saintnickle34"Hopefully with the play of the ball being speeded up as well this year,you wont have the same advantage with the 3 men lying on in the tackle as you had last year..BRING IT ON!!!'"
Woo-hoo!
Roby and his one man Rugby scooting!
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| Quote ="saintnickle34"
1 Wellens Tomkins
2. Gardner Goulding
3. Shenton Gleeson
4. Wheeler Carmont
5. Meli Roberts
6. Pryce Deacon
7. Eastmond Lieuleui
8. Scarsbrook Lima
9. Roby Mcillorum
10. Graham Coley
11. Soliola Tomkins
12. Flannery Hoffman
13. Wilkin O loughlin
14. Moore Prescott
15. Clough mossop
16. Puletua Tuson
17. Dixon Farrell
Now out of the 2 teams i see saints having the better players in 12 of the 17 positions ,but the games not won on paper ,thats why saints have to play well and have the right gameplan.Hopefully with the play of the ball being speeded up as well this year,you wont have the same advantage with the 3 men lying on in the tackle as you had last year..BRING IT ON!!!'"
12 out of 17?!
I'd rather have Sam, Goulding, Gleeson, Carmont, Lima, Hoffman, Lockers and Joel without even looking at the bench.
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| Saints in my eyes. I don't think they were given enough credit for what they achieved last season. I think yourselves, Wire and Saints have all strengthened where as Leeds have stood still. If we(Wire) are to challenge we need a bit more consistency from our halfbacks.
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| Quote ="saintnickle34"
1 .Tomkins
2. Goulding
3. Gleeson
4. Carmont
5. Roberts
6. Pryce
7. Eastmond
8. Lima
9. Roby
10. Graham
11. Tomkins
12. Hoffman
13. O loughlin
14. Moore
15. Clough
16. Puletua
17. Farrell
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I'd have 10 Wigan and 7 Saints.
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| Quote ="Anozira"I'd have 10 Wigan and 7 Saints.'"
Almost identical to what I had, expect for Prescott instead of Moore, so 11 - 6 in Wigan's favour.
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| Quote ="saintnickle34"Hi all ,Looking forward to the game on saturday . . Wigan have quite a few injuries to contend with and saints are almost full strength.
Look at the likely lineups ,and if anything saints look slight favourites on paper.
1 Wellens Tomkins Sam easily
2. Gardner Goulding' Goulding
3. Shenton Gleeson? Shenton has potential but Gleeson currently is a much better player
4. Wheeler Carmont Carmont by some distance
5. Meli Roberts Meli gets the points, but when on form the are few players better than Amos in the entire SL
6. Pryce Deacon Pryce (thought Deacon is better for Wigan as a team)
7. Eastmond Lieuleui Tommy L. Eastmond has potential and is a class act on his day, but Tommy has done it all in world RL recently and rarely has a poor game
8. Scarsbrook Lima Lima without a doubt
9. Roby Mcillorum Roby is a class act
10. Graham Coley Graham
11. Soliola Tomkins Joel. I have not seen much promise from Sia, although injurys have prevented this
12. Flannery Hoffman Hoffman by a country mile
13. Wilkin O loughlin Lockers by 2 country miles
14. Moore Prescott Not sure you can compare these two?
15. Clough mossop I rate clough currently and atm just edges Mossop
16. Puletua Tuson Big Tomy is a cracker
17. Dixon Farrell Farrell is the best young british backrower i have seen in a very long time. Dixon is consistant but nowt much else in comparisson
Now out of the 2 teams i see saints having the better players in 12 of the 17 positions'"
How have you managed to find 12 players?
It cant be done
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| Quote ="tugglesf78"How have you managed to find 12 players?
It cant be done'"
Wellens Tomkins Wellens
2. Gardner Goulding Same
3. Shenton Gleeson Shenton
4. Wheeler Carmont Same
5. Meli Roberts Meli
6. Pryce Deacon Pryce
7. Eastmond Lieuleui Eastmond
8. Scarsbrook Lima Unsure.Not seen enough of lima
9. Roby Mcillorum Roby
10. Graham Coley Graham
11. Soliola Tomkins Soliola
12. Flannery Hoffman Hoffman
13. Wilkin O loughlin Same
14. Moore Prescott Same
15. Clough mossop Clough
16. Puletua Tuson Puletua
17. Dixon Farrell same
I would only take Lima out of your 17
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| Quote ="saintnickle34"Wellens Tomkins Wellens
2. Gardner Goulding Same
3. Shenton Gleeson Shenton
4. Wheeler Carmont Same
5. Meli Roberts Meli
6. Pryce Deacon Pryce
7. Eastmond Lieuleui Eastmond
8. Scarsbrook Lima Unsure.Not seen enough of lima
9. Roby Mcillorum Roby
10. Graham Coley Graham
11. Soliola Tomkins Soliola
12. Flannery Hoffman Hoffman
13. Wilkin O loughlin Same
14. Moore Prescott Same
15. Clough mossop Clough
16. Puletua Tuson Puletua
17. Dixon Farrell same
I would only take Lima out of your 17'"
Fair play for standing by your own team but i have to seriously question your jugment on more than a few of them.
Wilkin?
Dixon?
Soliola?
MELI!!!!!!! are you for real???
TBH i am quite flabergasted at the majority of choices. Are you being serious?
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| Quote ="saintnickle34"Wellens Tomkins Wellens
2. Gardner Goulding Same
3. Shenton Gleeson Shenton
4. Wheeler Carmont Same
5. Meli Roberts Meli
6. Pryce Deacon Pryce
7. Eastmond Lieuleui Eastmond
8. Scarsbrook Lima Unsure.Not seen enough of lima
9. Roby Mcillorum Roby
10. Graham Coley Graham
11. Soliola Tomkins Soliola
12. Flannery Hoffman Hoffman
13. Wilkin O loughlin Same
14. Moore Prescott Same
15. Clough mossop Clough
16. Puletua Tuson Puletua
17. Dixon Farrell same
I would only take Lima out of your 17'"
Well that's Saturday Sorted! We've No F***ing Chance!
Taking that you can't just match player for player (Especially when it comes to bench positions) there'd be 5 Saints players getting into my 17 (At most).
This Michael Maguire must be some coach if he can take a team that's so Bad and win a GF (And I suspect that may be the difference once again on Saturday!).
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| Quote ="saintnickle34"Wellens Tomkins Wellens
2. Gardner Goulding Same
3. Shenton Gleeson Shenton
4. Wheeler Carmont Same
5. Meli Roberts Meli
6. Pryce Deacon Pryce
7. Eastmond Lieuleui Eastmond
8. Scarsbrook Lima Unsure.Not seen enough of lima
9. Roby Mcillorum Roby
10. Graham Coley Graham
11. Soliola Tomkins Soliola
12. Flannery Hoffman Hoffman
13. Wilkin O loughlin Same
14. Moore Prescott Same
15. Clough mossop Clough
16. Puletua Tuson Puletua
17. Dixon Farrell same
I would only take Lima out of your 17'"
LOL, uh oh, we are gonna get battered then! Not looking forward to Saturday now.
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| Quote ="saintnickle34"Wellens Tomkins Wellens
2. Gardner Goulding Same
3. Shenton Gleeson Shenton
4. Wheeler Carmont Same
5. Meli Roberts Meli
6. Pryce Deacon Pryce
7. Eastmond Lieuleui Eastmond
8. Scarsbrook Lima Unsure.Not seen enough of lima
9. Roby Mcillorum Roby
10. Graham Coley Graham
11. Soliola Tomkins Soliola
12. Flannery Hoffman Hoffman
13. Wilkin O loughlin Same
14. Moore Prescott Same
15. Clough mossop Clough
16. Puletua Tuson Puletua
17. Dixon Farrell same
I would only take Lima out of your 17'"
Someone who couldn't get in your side last year over last seasons top try scorer?
A seriously injury prone unproven youngster over a proven performer (Carmont)?
LMS over Lima? Not even gonna comment on that one.
Soliola over Tomkins? A centre playing at 2nd row who missed most of last season over one of our best players and international 2nd rower?
Wilkin the same as Lockers? WHAT!
And Dixon and Farrell
Blinkers on there pal.
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| Quote ="saintnickle34"Wellens Tomkins Wellens
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You lost all credibility there. Wellens is the more accomplished FB and has experience on his side. But tomkins is:
Younger
Fitter
Faster
Better ball skills
Better link play
Current young player of the year
Missed out on man of steel by a bugs dick...
I'm not going to even comment on your comparison of Dixon and Farrell, except to say Farrell is going to be an absolute legend.
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| Now that Pryce is missing, I believe that puts us another point up!
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| Quote ="saintnickle34"Wellens Tomkins Wellens
2. Gardner Goulding Same
4. Wheeler Carmont Same
7. Eastmond Lieuleui Eastmond
8. Scarsbrook Lima Unsure.Not seen enough of lima
11. Soliola Tomkins Soliola
13. Wilkin O loughlin Same
17. Dixon Farrell same
I would only take Lima out of your 17'"
classic!
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2. Gardner Goulding Same
3. Shenton Gleeson Shenton
4. Wheeler Carmont Same
5. Meli Roberts Meli
6. Pryce Deacon Pryce
7. Eastmond Lieuleui Eastmond
8. Scarsbrook Lima Unsure.Not seen enough of lima
9. Roby Mcillorum Roby
10. Graham Coley Graham
11. Soliola Tomkins Soliola
12. Flannery Hoffman Hoffman
13. Wilkin O loughlin Same
14. Moore Prescott Same
15. Clough mossop Clough
16. Puletua Tuson Puletua
17. Dixon Farrell same
I would only take Lima out of your 17'"
I'll have what you're on. Have a word with yourself.
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| Anyone else having flashbacks to that Wakey supporter from last year who did a similar thing comparing his team against ours?
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