They're superb Matty

.....Even I can manage a chuckle at that.....

1. Wigan
2. Dire
3. St Helens
4. Leeds

Can't see Saints being champions this year. Our best chance win be in the Challenge Cup. Wigan v Warrington GF IMO. I'll send any Dire fans maps with the route to get to Old Trafford if they want considering they've never been there!

1 Warrington

2 Leeds

3 Saints

4 Wigan

I don't think it'll be as easy as some people are saying, but if we finish as low as 4th I'll show my arris

If that does happen, please let me know when the "event" will happen. I'll stay indoors and keep all the curtains firmly closed.

Make sure you shave it first.

One of the reasons we missed Cunningham when he wasn't on the pitch last year is that we lacked size and grunt up front - this is mitigated in 2011 by bringing in LMS and Perry.

Roby was brilliant for us last season and will surprise the "only an impact sub" knockers this season.

Saints look a stronger and better balanced squad in 2011 IMO, and word has it that we look in far better shape physically (which isn't difficult compared to 2010 when half our players had beer bellies).

Big shout, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see us reach both finals.

precisely!!!!!

Like most I think Wigan,Warrington,Leeds and Saints will be the top four (unless one of these have a horrendous injury run), in what order is anyone's guess. I think it will be injuries/form and depth of squad at key times of the season which will make the difference in who finishes top.

I have a feeling the change of coaching staff at Leeds and the loss of McGuire and possibly Hall for the start of the season may effect them early on. Saints look stong on paper - depends on how they respond to the new coach - and integrate the new players. Warrington and Wigan both look strong and have settled coaching so I would personally think these two will be the top two - assuming Warrington can overcome their Saints hoodoo.

Could be very tight this year.

We will finish top and be GF winners again.

I don't think you'll finish as low as he said but I see a tough fight between yourselves, Bradford and Salford for that 8th place spot, reckon that last play off spot will still be up for grabs at round 26.

I realise this is off topic but I didn't want to start another thread for a fairly simple question so:

Who will be your 1st choice kicker while Richards is out with injury?

Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere.

Not sure if that Deacon Lad has ever kicked before?

Can't remember it myself

I think he might have slotted over a couple in his Bradfut days

Karl Pryce has kicked 100% in pre-season

True, but sadly* he's no longer with us...

(*I may have spelt that wrongly...)

Ahh, it'll be Lima then most likely

Tell you what some utter garbage in this thread

Mathers good







Cas have got a good squad







Warrington are the main danger this season but there pack is very weak one or two injurys they are screwed

Saints perry and lms good signings shenton is cack though the main factor for these is cunningham going they are like headless chickens without him

Leeds are pure cack full stop got a average coach be midtable

Wigan
Hudd
Wire
Saints

I will say i think salford will be in the playoffs this season along with bradford back there

that sounds comically far off. Sorry.



Well he was very very good for Leeds and was very good for Warrington. He had the odd slip up but who doesn't. Just because he didn't settle at Wigan doesn't make him a bad player.




We don't know how good or bad Castleford are till the season is under way but Chase, Orr, Foz and ... Mathers are all good squad players. They could easily surprise this year. I don't think any one is claiming they will win the double.


That has been proven not true by many people, in terms of depth. Warrington are comparable with even the best in the league for depth. 4 recognised intl centres int he first 17. all able to play wing. 3 intl hookers. 2 intl fullbacks (one for acadamy) loads of replacements up front. It would take some very specific injuries. But you are right they are Wigan's main rival (apart from Saints imo)


By all accounts the opposite is true. Roby is developing nicely and Pryce is the new leader and is apparently really good. So KC might not be missed as much as you say. Also i think shenton will be better than you expect this seaosn. you are right about LMS. Haven't seen Perry can't comment.


difficult to tell really. Pure cack is a far fetched overstatement though. You can not deny the quality of Burrow, Mcguire, Peacock and Sinfield. I think they will be fifth this season but then again they could do better or worse. (they have suffered injuries to key players)











you honestly think that?
I commend you on being 'out there' no one else is thinking that i suppose. Probably a good reason for that though. How far do you think the gap between first and second will be?



Salford and Bradford
above Leeds, yeah?

So where are Hull or Hull KR?

you dismiss his points as hearsay and try and prove your own with the same

well that's not true.

I was only offering a counter-point. One which I though was fair and reasoned. I didn't call anyone cack. Just used facts to back up my opinion.

so we are on the same page can you clarify the hearsay on both parties (specifically what i dismiss)

Richie Mathers is garbage.