Which is fantastic, but he also has to defend as well.

Which he does

He has all that of course but I don't get where this talk of him being terrible in defence comes from tbh.

Are people constantly running through him like they did with Ashton and Mathers? No

Does he make try saving tackles? Yes

Does he put his body on the line to collect 50/50 kicks unlike Mathers used to do? Yes

Like I say I don't get it. I guess it's just because he's an unheard of Australian. If he'd have come over as an out and out fullback with a big reputation everyone would be fine with him because his preformences are special.

They are two of the best fullbacks in the league and defensively they are streets ahead of Cameron Phelps. I can't believe you can't see that or even acknowledge it.

We'll agree to disagree.

I must have missed him sat down behind the posts with his butty box and flask when KR were attacking last night

I'm a little worried that by losing Phelps and therefore having to re jig the back line that we may lose some of that impetus from last night.

Assuming Amos moves to fullback how will he cope with the highballs that wire will throw at him, that concerns me greatly.

Fingers crossed it's only a knock for Phelps.

He'll be a big loss if he's out for any length of time.

So far he has, but he hasn't had too much to do either so I'm not completely convinced yet due to his efforts in the pre season games.

Like I say i've seen both make big errors in defence. I've seen Webb miss one on one tackles and i've seen him panic and high tackle people as the last man. I've also seen him totally miss read bombs and get nowhere near them.

As for Greenshields I wouldn't call him a good defensive fullback at all. He's made the same errors and I watched him at Wembley a couple of years ago against Saints have a shocking game in defence. He missed stacks of tackles but that side of his game has improved.

All 3 of Phelps, Webb and Greenshields are fantastic attacking fullbacks and decent enough in defence.

heard it is a break and hes out for 8 to 10 weeks.

Jukesays has just spoke to Phelps at the reserves game v Leigh. Phelps expects to be out for four to six weeks.

Wigan won the game 46 - 0

They "Thought" it was a break last night but in his words "It's not as bas as He 1st thought!".
4-6 weeks

PS

We get a steady team, a full back that attempts tackles (Althought not brilliant he is better than the 2 x presious incumbents MAthers & Ashton, by a country mile!) 2 wingers scoring tries for fun, a new coach that has overseen the resigning of him at least for 12 months and seems to pick him at FB despite what the so called experts on here think, he creates more tries from FB than other FB we've had probably since H Paul played there and we want to change it around?

Keep the changes to a minimum.
Roberts to fullback (a position he has played regularly in Australia) and either Pryce or Ainscough on the wing (I suspect it will be Pryce)

I think goulding will get the nod for the wing spot.

He wasn't selected for the reserves today, and the rumour is he is on his way to Salford. Josh Veivers was withdrawn at half time so who knows?

It's time for Pryce 2 get an extended first team run IMO.

Ainscough proved his worth last season and was rewarded with a new deal BUT the best thing for his development is staying at Widnes for now.

This season is a crunch time for Pryce and this sustained period of game time will make or break him.

well watched the reserves today and pryce was . hobbled round for 15 minutes of the first half and in the second half i actualy think he touched the ball once in 40 minutes . get ainscough on the wing. sell pryce to the half way house pub team

Exactly what i have heard. Bruised bone.

good news hope he makes speedy recovery do you think 6 days recovery time is pushing it a bit

People keep trying to find reasons not to like Phelps, but so far this year

v Crusaders - 1 bomb - defused.
v Hull KR - 1 on 1 tackle on Newton - made.

He will be our player of the season and is going to be a massive loss to us for the next few weeks.

On the other hand, its now or never for Pryce.

It's a negative turn of phrase mate, because you're either blind or totally biased in that you only expect certain players to play completely faultlessly and stop everything. Holy crap he got handed off? what a truly Epic Fail from Cam. Watch any game of super league and you'll find a number of players making errors, 'cock ups' as you call them, yet they never get a mention from you. I personally think your harshness on Cam is down to how you feel Ainscough should be in the side (as you've posted numerous times over the pre season almost hoping that others don't perform and saying Ainscough should start).

Seriously what do you expect from Phelps? He had a defensively very good game last night, even with the 'cock up', put in a great slow down tackle on Newton(?) when he was bursting through after handing off Fielden and they looked likely to score, and was superbly placed and read really well a dangerous kick through from Dobson and took it cleanly first time.

Nail on head.

Moaning because someone got handed off, jeez.

Assuming Roberts goes to FB, whoever fills in on the wing will be up against King. Given Ainscough isn't the best under the high bomb, putting him in that position's the wrong move for me.

I'd rather have Pryce playing outside Gleeson.

Defo.

Regardless of if people rate him, don’t rate him or have an agenda against the lad Pryce has to be in the side for the next 4-6 weeks. Even if he has a stinker next week against Wire I’d still keep him in the side for the week after against Catalans.

In order to fully judge and evaluate Pryce Madge has to see him play over a period of weeks at SL level and now is the perfect opportunity for him to show any worth he has. The team is settled, playing well, he’ll be outside an inform centre in Gleeson and with Joel also on that side of the park it’s looking strong for us.

Our next six games games;

Warrington Wolves Away
Catalans Dragons Home
Bradford Bulls Away
Hull FC Home
Castleford Tigers Away
Leeds Rhinos Home

That’s six tough games for Pryce to prove his worth.

If he fails then it’s game over for him sadly but at least he will have been given a pro longed run in the first team.

Didnt bailey play in the reserves today? We could well see him in the 17 with something like:

STomkins (played at fullback before and didnt look out of place, plus always mopping up kicks close to our line, good fullback play)
Roberts
Gleeson
Carmont
Richards
Deacon
Leuluai
Fielden
Riddell
Coley
Hansen
JTomkins
O'Loughlin

Mossop
Feka
Prescott
Bailey

That would pretty much mean Riddell playing 80 mins though, which IMO im not sure he could pull off with a good level of performace the whole way through