Fook me we was a class team all along why didn't you lot tell us

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Wire go on a bit of a winning run once Lowes was appointed?

Clearly not enough of one if he aint the coach now



One things for sure, he didn't win them the Challenge Cup at Wembley.

As if Lowes is a patch on Smith as a coach BTW

I think Tony Smith is a fantastic coach. Look what he's done with Mathers, he couldnt break wind at Wigan and at Warrington Tony Smith has basically saved his career, I wish we had Smith as our coach.

Some of the attitude from Wigan fans has embarrassed me today, its like they are turning into Wire fans with the bitterness. Warrington played a good game, and it was Smith who won it for them. From 10 losses in a row at the beginning of the year to a win at wembley just a few months later (they didnt have an easy route either) is incredible. Albeit their league form hasnt really seen much improvement but with 10 losses at the beginning of the season it was lost already so they threw all their eggs in one basket and it worked.

They will either go one way or the other now, they will either end up like Hull FC few finals here and there but not really threatening to take over SL or they could end up like Leeds, they have the talent there, will be interesting to see if Myler can take over Briers when he eventually leaves.

I would not mind Warrington being at the top of our game for a while, it would make a change to st helens or leeds but I can't see it. This mentality of 'we don't care what happens cause we won the cup' is not how saints have become so succesful.

Yeah they could go 2 ways like i said but who knows...we will only find out next year, full pre season under tony smith and the confidence of winning the cup behind them they should push on, no excuses!

You f***"$@% non-one eyed Mother F*%^^$*$* Pie Eating Mother&*&%^(&%&((%& how come you *&*%$#%( going against your own fans??!!







Good points. And yep, Smith might just be a "kick start" for the club. They might not be title challengers, but I tell you what, Tony Smith can certainly make average players into winners, so he doesn't need much to work with (look at Chev Walker, Mark Calderwood, Ryan Bailey, Richie Mathers, Andrew Dunneman; under Smith - I rest my case)

If you'd have looked up, you would have seen the point fly over your head. I wasn't saying Lowes was as good as Smith, I'm saying we should judge Smith after the honey moon period is over.

BTW, this is the same Smith that won us the world cup right? imo his tactics for the world cup where well off.

The honeymoon period? He's just won Warrington the Challenge Cup. I doubt anyone connected with the club cares if they don't win another game all season. There's 2 major trophies on offer at the beginning of a season and he's won one of them.

Oh and judging him on the International scene is pathetic jealousy seeping through your skin. The British game is in a mess as well you know. Do you think us Leeds fans disregard the Championships and World Championsips he has brought us just because he's not Jesus and couldn't miracle up some wins against the Kiwis and Aussies?

Have a word with yourself!

I'll take being in bottom half of Sl for winning the challenge cup + am sure most of you would if you were honest.

There's no doubting you had a good team on paper, why do you think most fans didn't want Cullen to be sacked? Best thing Wire could have ever done.

Well done to Wire for finally sorting it out. As others have mentioned they have massively underachieved in the last few years considering the squad they have. All they needed was a good coach to take them to the trophies and they now have that in Smith.

However comparing sacking Lowes with should we sack Noble is incomparable. Is Smith better than Noble? That's debatable. Is Smith better than Lowes? Undoubtably.

It is the same set of players (except for Mathers) so it is 100% down the the coach directing the players! Fantastic coach irrelevant of what anyone on the Wigan board has to say! He is a proven winner at multiple clubs now, not many... infact no other can say that in SL...

Surely you're not as stupid at this post suggests.

Maybe? But you are!

Not quite; the big thing Smith had to do this year was create a "team" rather than a bunch of self-interested individuals. Hence one of the first things he addressed was to bring Carney into the fold and shift Gleeson out.

To get Mathers + £100k on top just shows one man's rubbish is another's treasure.

Cost who exactly? Our multi millionaire owner?

How much to you think it cost to ditch Millward and sign Noble from Bradford?

DW was prepared to pay the price, IL seems reluctant to open the purse strings.



My heart bleeds for them, they have won the cup and unless an miracle happens they will finish a few places below us in the league and we won't have a trophy. He has changed them from perennial losers to cup winners in less than a season.

Brown has changed Hudds to cup finalists in a short space of time as well at a club that charged £80 for season tickets and has about 6 fans.

Meanwhile three seasons from Noble taking over we look no better then in 2007.

One of the arguments about keeping Nobby was "Who is available?", well Smith was and IL failed to move for him.

The achievements of Smith and Brown at their respective clubs are all the evidence you need to show why Noble isn't good enough.

Dave

I need a lie down. I agree with DaveO.

Why should he though? We're not a charity. The club is already saddled with debt (most of it IL's). Also he wasn't reluctant to pay £100k for Gleeson.

Smith has one of the best squads of players around at his disposal. He has a huge athletic pack and some very handy players in the backs. Dont be fooled into thinking he is some kind of coaching genius who has won the cup with a squad of nobodys.

Hes not but Cullen couldnt do it so whats changed?

Noble has not had a squad full of nobodies for 3-4 years and still nothing...we are still big game chokers.

What are these big games we've choked in?

For me if we were to compare wire's squad with are own then we have the better squad overall, the only area they have over us is the frontrow and that showed in the semi. This is why every Wigan supporter on this board is wishing we could sign a decent prop for next year so we can compete in that area as well.

What did Noble do at Bradford?