You completely live in fantasy land, are you going to goto your boss at work and say 'actually i think i should be paid less'?

No because I work hard and my performances compared to my collegues who do the same job as me are a lot better... therefore I can hold my head up high... I know its fantasy land stuff to expect fielden to do this... but hey hes on probably 250k... and I am on about 32k ... bit of a difference....

Like I said "money" rules the world unfortunately....

its funny how these threads peak after a defeat

Not really.

But would you ask for a pay cut if you felt you were not performing upto your potential?

Like I said there is a bit of a difference in income... but if I consistently over a period of 2-3 years have performed below my "world class" wages... then I don't think I could hold my head up too high in the dressing room knowing that a 21year old is playing me off the park and my wages may be the difference between signing a true world class player and sticking with the same squad, it would certainly make me think.... I knwo I live in fantasy land with this... and if its as much as a "team" sport and players are as devoted to the team as we think they are.., then surely it becomes more of a possibility... if money didnt rule the world... then would stuart go and ask for a drop in his wages if it was for the good of the "Team"......

32k ? You overpaid git



Lend us a tenner

I will as long as you pay my student loan of 13k..



If you had my wife.... you'd realise there aint no money left in the pot...

Its simple:

1. Noble must go. The sooner the better.

2. The new coach must play the best players regardless of age or reputation. Farrell and Robinson were played in a great Wigan side at 17 (I accept that they were extraordinarily gifted and benefited from playing with other players of similar talent who could ease their passage into top flight rugby but we must do more to bring on our talented players - there is no excuse for not playing the likes of Mossop, Flanagan and S Tomkins (who only got a run in the side because of the injury to Smith) or for denying Ainscough a game on the basis he is suspect under high kicks, only to play Roberts who is woefully weak in that area anyway...).

3. We must raise standards of fitness. Feka and Riddell are not fit enough. Feka in particular was exposed today.

4. The new coach should be given the remit to clear out backroom staff and assistant coaching staff as he sees fit.

how embarrassing was fielden today, i knew as soon as he got whacked off morley we would never see him for the rest of the match.

New coach and assistant.

2 new conditioners, 1 specialising in strength and the other Feka's personal trainer!

You'll find that I have been a consistent Noble doubter throughout this season (as have a number of others). I am disappointed I've been proved right so often this season, I'd rather I were wrong and the team be well coached, well prepared and fully fit and successful.. I'm sorry to say I told you so... but I did.

If we do not sign a single forward for next year, we will be even worse.

I am now in the Noble out camp tbh.

The question is why is he getting whacked not only off Morley but every week off a different player. He is being dominated like a little child. Looking at him he doesnt look to be putting the effort in. He runs the ball in lethargic like he has no belief in himself or he simply isnt interested.

Fielden is the type of player that should be leading the way in these games with his experience yet he is being smashed from pillar to post and doesnt look bothered either!

I was severely disappointed with Feka's performance today, thought he was very weak in defence and didn't put his hand up enough times to take the ball in. I thought Fielden did ok tbh. But we really need some forwards!

People have been saying it for the last few seasons so why doesn't Mr Lenegan go out and get some big prop forwards? Until we do, we will not come close to winning a thing.

Fieldens here for the pay cheque, not the cherry and White. When Morley owned him a part of me thought we'd see the old fielden, sadly he put his tampon back on, and played p!$$ poor again.

But we have Feka - who if made to get fit would be sensational, Coley - very solid and hardworking and Mossop who is an immense talent with a huge physical presence. The new signings we need to make are a new coach and some new fitness staff. I'd prioritise that over signing any player.

Absolutely spot on about back room staff, they don't count on the cap so we should be going all out to get the best conditioning we can find.

Feka needs to go but not Fielden.

I'm not sure what Noble is expected to do.

He can't get the players to not drop the ball when they are playing it, he can't simply swap Roberts to the other side so he isn't opposite King, that shows no confidence in Roberts, and anyway, whats to stop King swapping sides to follow Roberts?

I thought Feka was unlucky more than anything, anyone will tell you defense isn't his strong point, we had all the ball before he came on, then, by chance, as soon as he and Fielden came on, they had ALL the ball, I think we defended 4 sets before they actually scored, then we kicked to them, defended a set, then lost the ball in the tackle, or threw it away, then they scored.

Alternatively, we'd kick off to them, they'd trundle up the field and score. They coulnd't do anything wrong and we couldn't do anything right for about 20mins, in which they scored 28 points or something daft.

That killed us.

Are you joking?

Fielden is lower than a snakes belly right now. Today we needed his experience and a good game from him. What did we get? What can only be described as a performance you would expect to see at a Ballet show.

Given the choice, Feka should go over Fielden. At least Fielden can defend. Feka is just abysmal; and once again, no strong runs to even compensate. He should be sacked for breach of contract; impersonating an RL player.

I think Noble just got the tactics wrong.
We dropped the ball, 3 times in the first three minutes in our own 20 mtr. Then got away with a disallowed try. Right call!
We were trying to play fast hands & feet rugby in our own 30 mtr area. Massive mistake.
Sam T kicked down field to Mathers they made a mistake, they never recovered and we scored a good try. A pen gave us the same field position deep in their half, they made a mistake and Richards goaled.
Then we tried to go back to throwing the ball around in our own 20 mtr area again.
Lost ball, wire try, two minutes later another wire try. A further knock on and yet another Wire try. 8-0 to 8-18 in less than ten minutes all through trying to throw the ball around in our 20-30 mtr area.
And what stopped our revival? Last 10 mins Briers kicking the ball to Phelps early in the count and making us play in our own half.
In the middle of the park it has all been said on here. Prescott & Coley were ok Feka & Fielden were dreadful. Piggy off too long.
F & F are not going anywhere until end of 2010. Something has to be done now to add strength to the pack. As Bailey is out for the season Mossop is a must. Flanagan must be included too. Noticed that Farrell was 18th man & not Pryce. Surely a sign of things to come.
If Bailey is released then there will be plenty money available for a new prop. Suggestions Flanagan could be off too so an amount there.
We're going to need every penny we can get to bolster the pack. Right now if Griffin was available and cheap as chips I'd bring him in. I know it won't be for next year but something has to happen after that display!

Riddell was injured, which is why he was off for so long.