Yes I am, because it is.

Noble knew long before this last week that his Wigan contract was ending. The only real issue has been whether he goes now or at the end of the season - and clearly that's still not been decided.

Neither you nor I have a right to know what's going behind the scenes regarding personal contracts, club business, etc. So constantly lobbying for 'full clarity' is as pointless an exercise at Wigan as it would be at any other professional sports club.

No, some fans can see beyond the immediate issue of us getting a new coach or not and expect the club and chairman to behave in a professional and fair manner when addressing the issue.



And I put it to you that you didn't realise the implication of the news story about Kearney turning the job down is that IL was telling the UK media basically a lie when he said Noble's future was all down to results.

For some reason you want to dismiss this as a minor issue because you want Noble out and so the end justifies the means. Well I want a new coach as well but that does not mean this is the right way to go about it.



Clearly in my case this has nothing to do with it.



Lets all ignore the fact our chairman tells employees of the club than can work for a new deal and in the meantime offers the jobs to others. That is what appears to have happened. I'd like to be proved wrong but I can not see how given the time machine has not been invented I can be.

If this is par for the course there will come a time when someone who you do support as coach or player gets the same treatment and I wonder what you be saying about that?

Dave

So IL on national radio is asked about Noble’s job a few weeks back what was he supposed to say other than what he did?

Does he say ‘no comment’ and is then hounded by the fans for not giving a straight answer and leaving everything up in the air?

Or does he then announce at that moment in time that Noble isn’t getting a new contract for next season? Not the best way to break such big news and I’m sure he would have been slated for doing it that was as well.

Or does he come out with the easy answer of saying ‘if BN performs and the team plays well he’ll get a new deal’. It’s the easy answer and the one he should take every time.

As long as he’s straight with BN behind the scenes I honestly don’t see why IL should give those Muppets on GMR the benefit of such a big scoop. Also if it was asked after the CC Salford win why ruin a good victory with such negative news.

From what I can see of the situation all that’s happened is some fans are moaning as again they are the last to know.

He's already done it with Colbon last year.

But when you look at the greater picture which is Wigan RL you have to see that what ever he’s doing for the club he’s doing it for the right reasons.

Rubbish.



Irrelevant.



Irrelevant again. The issue is with what we do know about not what we don't or could not expect to know about.

What we know is Kearney was offered the job and after he was offered it, IL went on the radio to say Noble's future at the club was down to results.

That has nothing to do with anything behind the scenes or club business. Nor has it anything to do with expecting full clarity so stop trying to deflect the discussion to something it is not about.

Disregarding the issue of doing one thing and saying another, I would have thought IL would have learned his lesson after the Higham saga that these things inevitably come out and this one has. So instead of being in control of the situation it's all over the news pages the Wigan job is being offered around. It's going to be interesting to see how IL handles this one but one thing is for sure he isn't the one in control of events and announcements now is he! He will have to react.

Do you think no journo is going to ask Noble what he thinks of the his job being offered around? What would you expect him to say in reply? The best Wigan can hope for is "no comment" IMO.

Dave

Sorry, but I think the Higham saga is still a running sore with you. You certainly let it affect your judgement with regard to the so-called 'Richard Moore' incident, when you simply chose to believe the Wakefield chairman rather than the Wigan chairman.

I can't be bothered getting into a day-long exchange of endlessly repeated viewpoints about this. What's going on in the real world behind the scenes is more important than comments made to the press. Noble knew his contract was up ages ago, and, during his stint at Wigan, has been doing no little shopping around himself. Have you forgotten the mysterious visits to Leeds and Warrington, the constant stories linking him with jobs in Australia?

As for the full clarity thing - you demanded "full clarification from the club" in an earlier post on this thread. If you regard a response to that as "trying to change the subject" why bring it up in the first place?

He would not be in a position of Nobel finding out he was out of a job on the radio if, as he should have, he told Noble he was not getting a new deal BEFORE he offered the job to someone else.

That is blindingly obvious.

If he had not told Noble he wasn't getting a new deal before offering the job to others then IL left himself in a very awkward position didn't he!

One of the arguments put forward by Cruncher is I think, everyone new the score anyway weeks ago. I find that implausible but in any case you are suggesting the opposite to justify IL not effectively sacking Noble on the radio.

Which ever way it is, it's a screw up.

If Noble didn't know he was out of a job he has found out via the media anyway. If he did know there is no reason for IL to say otherwise and certainly not to say his future was down to results.

If IL's had was being forced all he needed to do was to say an announcement would be made in due course, not say Noble had a job based on results because clearly he didn't.



Well no because you see if that isn't true, its a lie.



If he had been straight with BN behind the scenes there would be no need to not be straight with the media and fans. None. The fact he wasn't suggests he had not been straight with Noble which is basically what you are saying isn't it, that he said this because Noble ought not to find out on the radio he was out of a job? Which is it?

It was also after the league game after he had returned from Oz and he was telling us some of the players he had seen were no longer targets etc. No special occasion.



Well you are wrong. The fans are moaning because it appears our chairman was not being truthful and the club (which is basically IL anyway) was caught out once again as being unprofessional.

There may well be a plausible explanation but I have not seen one from you or Crucher so far. For that we will have to wait and see what IL and the club have to say. I hope he can come out with a convincing explanation because at the moment it all looks very poor IMO.

Dave

How bad does this make the club look?

What must be BN thinking now?

As with many things. there is probably no clear right/wrong here.

Any club looking to improve should always be looking to improve and cubs like wigan have always said that they will consider a top player if and when they become available.

So until things are signed on the dotted line then nothing is certain (and even then it still isn't).

There's nothing wrong with IL sounding out future coaches or players, it doesn't always mean they will be offerred a job, or the current coach player will be replaced.

these things don't happen sequentially, ask one player/coach if he's available, start negotiations, one party backs out, start process again, etc. It doesn't happen like that.

I'm sure IL is finding out who's available in the marketplace, (and this will involve a number of players/coaches who will never get near signing) and then deciding whether they will strengthen the team, whether that's a coach or a player.

Then there will be further discussions to see whether a deal is possible, then further discussions to see whether both parties see eye to eye, then further discussions to finalise a deal and finally sign a contract. All the time both parties will keep options open.

The stephen kearney situation looks like it didn't go beyond the initial enquiry of 'are you available?' stage.

Maybe that now's the time to ring Sydeny Roosters about that consultancy role.
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Quote ="Pemps"He seems to be highly thought of and if anything, he's ranked above Kearney at Melbourne. www.news.com.au/couriermail/spor ... 09,00.html'" Mentioned him on another thread has a massive rep, him and Kearney linked with the Roosters spot, both will be fielding first team coaches jobs in the not too distant. He also has some clue about the conditioning side which i think will ensure we recruit wisely in this area as well.

Quote ="Pemps"He seems to be highly thought of and if anything, he's ranked above Kearney at Melbourne. www.news.com.au/couriermail/spor ... 09,00.html'" Mentioned him on another thread has a massive rep, him and Kearney linked with the Roosters spot, both will be fielding first team coaches jobs in the not too distant. He also has some clue about the conditioning side which i think will ensure we recruit wisely in this area as well.

I saw your post on the other thread after I stuck his name up. From what I can gather he is the actual assistant to Bellamy (rather than Kearney) in that he takes control when Bellamy is on SOO duty. Kearney was definitely first choice for IL but TBH I would be happy to give this guy a shot at the job. Hell, if they announced it now I might even think about watching them again next season!

He certainly ticks a lot of boxes, doesn't he. Whether he'd come or not remains to be seen.

His contract is up at the end of this year but he was in the running for the Brisbane job when Bennett left. He pulled out of the running to see out his contract with Melbourne. I suppose the issue is, if he's as highly thought of as some articles seem to suggest will he get a job as head coach in the NRL?

If its ok for IL to sound out new coaches then what happens if he cant get anyone and then Noble does what i think hes done or will do in the near future. Line up a job at another club.

Not only will we have practically the same squad as now we will not have a coach. There are ways of doing this and its not to sound out a person that IL thinks is better and then if he does not he then hopes Noble will stay.

IL was supposed to stabalise the club and plan for the future. This is not the way to stabalise the club.

So what should IL have done then?

How should it be done then?

In my opinion he should either give Noble a new contract. Or if hes going around sounding out other coaches he does it proffesionally by ensuring all negotiations remain private. It helps no one for these to come out.

IL needs to realise there is a massive difference in running the Quins to us. Whatever happens with us its going to get into the media sooner rather than later. Unlike Quins who can do this type of an approach as its not going to get into the media as easily and quickly.

IL has a choice if he thinks Noble is good enough he gives him an extension if not fire him. He needs to stop wasiting the future of the club on a chance he might be able to get a new coach.

Remeber whan Lam retired we were going for Johns, Lockyer etc we ended up with Moran as we had no other choice. The way IL is going on were going to end up in a much worse situation than we are in now.

the question is how will bn take this will he think f**k u lot and take no intrest in rest of season or go out and try to prove il wrong and try to get as high up the table as poss and try win the cc
hope fully it will be the 2nd one

It's getting annoying now isn't it.

IL looks for a new coach cause the one we having isn’t performing,
He goes for a class coach,
The story gets broken by the NZRL trying to save face after Endacott, Anderson and McLennan,
IL gets it in the neck???

Doesn’t make sense to me

Guess it's same as you were tho.



Then it's good for Wigan as he'll be setting the new coach up well.

If the coach is not performing then he fires him. Not keep him just incase we dont get anyone. By doing that we will get into trouble.

I know it's going over old ground again, well the past 3/4 pages anyway, but Wigan didn't leak the "discussions" with Kearney, Kearney's agent did. From the reports all I can see is Wigan asked if he'd be interested in being head coach. No formal approach or contract offer was made.

I genuinely can't see what IL has done wrong here. He's approaching coaches to replace Noble, that's all. If he doesn't approach people then he won't get anyone. We're apparently approaching props for next year but nobody is getting their knickers in a twist about Coley's feelings.

Fire him and replace him with who?

Maybe the coach we want for next season won't come until next season. Who takes over until then?

I would have thought trying and get as high up in the table as possible was a given when it comes to being head coach.

Noble has also been rumoured to have applied for several other jobs during his time at Wigan.

I'm surprised that everyone thinks this is a new practice - Maurice Lindsay made no secret of the fact that he had lined up Stuart Raper long before eventually sacking Endacott in 2001, but I don't remember a particular outcry about it back then...