if Ainscough was a Saints player he'd be number 1 on that list of yours on your sig and you'd calling for him to be MOS let alone YPOTY.

As for Tomkins vs Myler, Myler scored of a kick through and scored after supporting a break, yet Sam set up a try, created a 50m try on his own and scored 40m try off a mistake.

So yeah Tomkins got outplayed by Myler and Eastmond should be YPOTY cause of a kick and a drop goal

For Burgess & Graham Read Morley/Peacock/Fielden!

For the rest read :- Wellens/Hodgson/R Horne/D McGuire/Rob Burrow/Sinfield/Roby/Gleeson/L Robinson/K Brown/Hock/P Cooke/L Pryce/S Wild/C Walker/K Yeaman etc etc.

At the time the Sky Brigade and many fans were thinking these players were going to improve us Internationally, Did they???

We have had exciting youngsters developing EVERY YEAR for the last 100 years.
Unfortunatley this hasn't always transposed itself onto the international scene and in some ways we have gone backwards.

Mylers all round game is better and so is Eastmonds.

Not sure how you can say that about Eastmond so far.

I would compare Tomkins to Danny Mcguire in that he's a runner, a line-breaker, an off the cuff player who can make something happen out of nothing.

Put alongside an organiser and a creator (which by the way Leuluai most certainly isn't) its very exciting to think of the impact Sam can have.

ahmeister clearly has a thang for Eastmond, so leave him alone with his unfounded fantasies.

we shall see who plays the best on the weekend

I watched the reserve final at Saints last year and Tomkins was a class act whereas Eastmond was dreadful. I'm sure he could have played better but he didn't seem interested. Even the Saints speccies were annoyed at him.

He kicked a drop-goal against "the Pies"!! Surely he's world class now!!

at ashmeister

Cant quite see whats so funny with my opinion on Sam Tomkins.

Ritchie Myler this season, as been the better player of the two. Eastmond on the other hand as been injured.

Hopefully Kyle is fully fit now and can enjoy the rest of the season. Starting with Murrayfield.

It's not funny it's just wrong(everyones entiltles to be wrong i may add).

Myler has been superb this year but has played every minute of every game for Salford and is in his second full season of first team rugby. Tomkins on the other hand has been playing in short bursts and is just feeling his way in to first team rugby(and doing a great job).

Due to Eastmonds lack of gametime it's hard to make a call on him as a whole but as for this season alone he shouldn't be named in the same breath as Myler or Tomkins.

In reserve team rugby i do believe Tomkins has had Eastmond in his back pocket on pretty much every occasion they've faced each other though.

To be fair, a number of those you've named have only been bigged up by their clubs supporters (Wellens/Hodgson/Sinfield/Brown/Wild/Walker), a few have had other reasons for not taking their game on (I think Yeamans injury knocked him back years, Robinson dropping to a team of lesser quality).

I think you're being harsh on the three props you name, who have all done well at international level on a fairly consistent basis, Roby did well in the last two tournaments and Gleeson has played well, as as Hock (though a touch inconsistently)

In fact the only player that really hasn't improved his game as I thought he might is McGuire.

There is no doubting Myler has been awesome this season and has probably been the better of the 2 but he has already had a full season of first team rugby and is playing 80 minutes a game in a poor team so the players around him make him look even better (not having a dig at him there just my opinion, I'd take him at Wigan in a second) whereas Sam has had a handful of games used mainly in bursts where he has been outstanding.

It was your other comments about Ainscough, if he was wearing a red V would you still give it Briscoe or Owen over him, would you F**K. Shaun has been brilliant but he does have trouble with positioning from kicks but that can be sorted out with a few hours on the training ground.

Myler outplayed Sam when Wigan played Salford? Did you go? If you did you would have recognised that Myler got on the end of a grubber and supported a break and Sam scored a fantastic solo effort and finished a breakaway. Other than that I thought they were about equal, Myler's defence was shaky that night too though.

And the Eastmond comment, the guy kicks a goal and a drop goal and suddenly he is the better player

If the general rule (as applied by Saints fans) is that Myler is a better player than Tomkins because he plays and impresses in a Salford side that is poorer than Wigan's side, then by that reasoning none of the Saints youngsters can be any good since they play alongside better players.



Jokin apart, it is much easier for the likes of an Eastmond and Clough to look decent when they are surrounded by established players used to a degree of success.

As for Myler - great attacking player and close to Tomkins in that regard, but Sam's defence is a world better for a player of his size.

Ainy needs work and will never be good in the air due to his size - then again I'll take his current tries to games ratio in a lower table side as enough evidence that he should be contending for YPOTY.

And that, my friend, is why you aren't being taken seriously.

I think most Saints fans views of Eastmond are formed on slightly more viewings than 1 match this season.

True , but how much have they seen of Sam Tomkins?

They said that Eastmond looked the more dangerous of the 2 when we played on Maundy Thursday and tbh Eastmond did 2 things that match, kicked a goal, kicked a drop goal. Hardly looking dangerous whereas I think even you will agree Sam had a good game.

We're all entitled to our opinions but I thought that one was unfair on Sam

Depends how many matches they've seen on the tv.



Tbh, a lot of this ing contest bores me.

You would lol.

I wasn't overly impressed with Tomkins performance against us that day, considering the amount of possession you had I thought he may have created more. However it was probably his first really big match, which may have had an effect and I wouldn't say he was poor.

Supposedly Eastmond has a big issue with his shoulders which is why Saints do not play him very often. Of the two i would say Eastmond is probably the more devastating runner but Tomkins does have organisational qualities that we have yet to see him do in a first team shirt.

Scott Moore should be in with a very strong chance.

He only turned 21 earlier this year and has been winning MOM awards for Hudds on a pretty regular basis, and has managed to keep a test international hooker in the form of David Faiumu out of that position.

Sam just needs that extra bit of confidence to take on the line for me.