I'm assuming everyone can see the very obvious connection. Maybe I have to spell it out for some.






Simple. If there was no CC there would be VERY little "Fielden bashing" on here. He would be accepted as a "solid" workhorse prop who defends very well.


Still with me?


HOWEVER. The real issue most have with Fielden is that he allegedly takes up a high proportion of the CC. This impacts SF in 2 ways.

1. Less people to "share the workload"
2. Increased pressure on him to perform.
3. Increased pressure on BN to pick him. (or effectively play with a reduction of 15% to your CC).*


Take away the CC, the anti SF posts would tumble.


* If rumours are to be believed.

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But imo the real reason for them is not so much the fact that he is sub par, but that he is sub par AND taking up CC space.

Remove the CC and the last part would not be an issue.

Are you seriously suggesting that underperforming big name signings get no flak in any other sport not subject to the SC? And that big name RL signings got no flak pre SC?

Your obsession with blaming the cap for everything is hilarious.

Of course I am not. Now kindly re-read the post before you post bollox. I know it's hard for you, but try and read the post.

Ah OK, sorry for the misunderstanding, I thought you said:



Which is clearly nonsense when referring to a player bought for a world record fee and on the highest wages at the club.

And I stand by it.


The real reason people have an issue with SF is that he is taking up a large slice of the CC and not performing.

Take away the artificial situation under the CC and there would be a lot less concern from the Wigan fans (of which you are clearly not one, but like other Stains fans you recognise Wigan as being the largest and most famous RL club in the world, and hang around on our forum like a lost puppy).

I doubt many, if any, other Wigan fans would. Big name flops have always been subject to ridicule.



Like any Saints fan I recognise Wigan as our local rivals and enjoy reading about your worst start to a season, certainly from a home perspective, in years. Especially 2 days after a derby.

I think Hock's passport was hidden by salary cap auditors by the way.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

There's a great post on the Sts board about how things have turned full circle since the early 90s. If boot was on other foot, we Sainst fans might have been getting excited about a new signing and running the Piesclose but the reality is that Saints were a shadow of the team that beat Leeds and still had enough in the tank to beat a Wigan side at near full tilt.

My view on Wigan?

#No long term policy, poor coach and too often doing too much tinkering in off season thinking success can be signed in. You may have turned a corner in Tomkins and the like but you said it a few years back with Robinson/Brown/Danny Sculthorpe and what happened to them?

You have some good young players but do lack a leader and cutting edge in attack (bar Hock who is class).

Get shot of Nobby (he's taking you nowhere) and bring in a better coach who can be trusted to build a side over 3-4 years around Tomkins/Leulai/Hock and you other younger better players.

You need to dispsense with the likes of Riddell, Roberts, Phelps and Coley - not good enough

justin morgan would be the man for me

If he was given 3 yrs he could do a good job. If he is given 6 months he wont

I've been a solid Noble supporter but I am losing my rag with, well it can only be described as a sh*t, embarrassing side with no bottle, no courage, no f*cking pride and they don't seem to give a toss.

I'm sorry but Mr Noble, your time at Wigan is coming to an end.

I too am losing it with Noble.

His biggest mistake is keeping Lockers as captain.

I've not seen a more inept display as captain in a long, long time.


Absolutely woeful.


Frankly any coach who thinks that is a captains knock needs to be sacked.

Noble is doing what he did at bradford, but rugby has moved on

Geta grip and stop blaming O'loughlin for everything.

Put your eyes on performances of Roberts, Pryce, Fielden.. Lockers is a machine in defence but unfortunatelyyou dont appreciate that - you'd probably rather have Cameron Phelps at LF.

Ok I won't blame him for everything.

Just giving away the penalty which led to their first try, the dropped balls, the forward passes, being out of position in defence. Oh and being the worst ever Wigan Captain that I can remember.

But you are right to name the others too.

Utter Rubbish.

Well. Now its 3 from 10.

This is simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

Worryingly Wigan's lack of fitness was exposed again in this latest defeat.

Do we do any fitness training?

This must be the worst prepared, worst conditioned and worst coached Wigan team since the mid 80s.

We need to get Noble out now. Wane as a caretaker could not be worse than this.

IL needs to clear out the backroom staff also. Standards have slipped across the board.

On Thursday you were very enthusastic, but you relied too much on Lulu making a break and on the bursts from Feka when he was on. You also missed Pat Richards.

Picking up on various other threads, the consensus from the few people who are willing to offer any defence on behalf of BN seems to be that he hasn't been in charge of squad selection.

I don't know whether that's right but even if he is, do people really feel that he is getting the best out of the current squad (being fair, I accept we need to take into account that the players have some responsibility for the current problems and the fact that the fitness and coditioning side is below par)?

I thought that about Noble!

He's done a job of getting us back on our feet but nows the time to make progress imo and i'm not sure he's the man................i'm not sure that Justin Morgan would be the man either tbh.

Adrian Lam or Stephen Kearney would both be at the top of my list.

I'm not sure.

The way SL is currently structured means form at this time of the year means very little in the grand scheme of things. Sure a few of the Stains trolls put "League Leaders Shield" in their list of honours, but to those in the know this "honour" means very little indeed.

It's all about peaking at the right time. The reality is that though the Good Friday game versus Stains is the source of much interest and, dare I say it, emotion, it means very little in the grand scheme of things as far as winning or losing SL.



That said, games like Catalan DO mean something. Losing games like this puts extra strain on our 2nd season effort. Too much effort in getting to the playoffs will mean nothing left in the tank for them.


Hence I am torn between two positions atm.

Go, admit it. You are realising that it isn't just about peaking at the right time at all. If you peak for the playoffs but are in a low playoff position the likelihood is you won't get to the GF. League games at this end of the season are just as important as those in the 2nd half of the season because points in the bag now means you are not in the position of having to win the majority of you later games to get a good play off place. We are already in that position.

Dave

On Brian Noble ,i don't think he is getting the best from the squad or even close to it at times, some of this i believe is a lack of faith in him from some the players and some are just in the 1st team comfort zone .

We suffer with a lack of direction and enthusiasm on to many occasions on both attack and defense how often do we see the same mistakes and indecision, for me this partly down to the game plan and partly down to failure of basic ball skills under the pressure of the game, and the plan structure .

One of the most worrying things for me is the lack of improvement in individual players in the first team in both skills and fitness with the same mistakes and performances being accepted week in week out or seemingly so.

We are also far to slow in getting back behind the ball and packing down at scrums the body language at these times is awful even when chasing the game .

With the facility's we have at our disposal at orrell fitness and skills should not be an issue , or perhaps it's to easy having everything they want at there beck and call and it's that comfort zone again .

p.s I'm not BN biggest fan but i don' t think he is solely responsible for our failings, but the buck stops with him .
My views as a supporter .

No, I still don't think they are.

I think if you accept that Leeds and Stains will be in the top 4 (with current squads) then effectively we are playing for the other 2 spots.

Losing vs Stains isn't an issue. Losing vs our competitors is.


Tbh all you have to aim for this season is top 4. The actual order is irrelevant.