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| Quote ="100% Warrior"It's not upto IL though is it? Coley granted is poor but IMO Fielden is sometimes unfairly criticised. Agreed he isn't his former self but he's solid both in attack and defence IMO, doesn't do it spectacularly and doesn't get credit for it. People only seem to pick up on his weak points and use Fielden as a scapegoat as to why our pack isn't upto it.
Controversial but IMO Feka is the problem. He makes one maybe two good runs and makes some yards, but what else? Naff all in defence and 10minutes a time on the pitch. And some people think thats good enough? Skerret, Wane, O'Connor etc etc would p*ss all over him! Get him fit or get rid.
Lynch and/or Kylie Leulaui would beef our pack alot and would both be terrific signings if either or both (as rumoured) comes off.'"
I believe he's Nobles choice.
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| Quote ="cadoo"Well until I see hard evidence to back it up then I will just treat it as a rumour and nothing more.'"
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"It's not upto IL though is it? Coley granted is poor but IMO Fielden is sometimes unfairly criticised. Agreed he isn't his former self but he's solid both in attack and defence IMO, doesn't do it spectacularly and doesn't get credit for it. People only seem to pick up on his weak points and use Fielden as a scapegoat as to why our pack isn't upto it.
Controversial but IMO Feka is the problem. He makes one maybe two good runs and makes some yards, but what else? Naff all in defence and 10minutes a time on the pitch. And some people think thats good enough? Skerret, Wane, O'Connor etc etc would p*ss all over him! Get him fit or get rid.
Lynch and/or Kylie Leulaui would beef our pack alot and would both be terrific signings if either or both (as rumoured) comes off.'"
Fielden and Coley offer no go forward between them. This is a big problem for us because all our go forward is from Feka and Hock, no-one else makes the opposition concerned when they are driving it up. For what Fielden is on his performances simply aren't good enough and most weeks he is our 3rd or 4th best prop when he should be our best every week!
The only problem I have with Feka is his defence sometimes as it can be a little slack but everytime he takes it up he makes great yards and is IMO the most dangerous ball carrier in super league, for you to say Feka only plays 10 minutes and want Kylie Leuluai is a little bizarre to be honest because Kylie plays less minutes than Feka. Feka has significantly improved his game time and has been playing around 40 minutes a game for us this season which for an impact prop is fantastic. I don't think Feka would get half the criticism he does if the rest of the pack were up to it because we wouldn't need him to play so long. How many impact props play more than 40 minutes?
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| Quote ="Blobbynator"Go round King Street every week.
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A lot of the time rugby league fans and the media love to overhype players when they seem them at pubs/clubs etc. Most of the time the players are out for a social drink and nothing more but yet it can be well over exaggerated which is just something players have to accept. Whether this applies to Gleeson I don't know but I think he is a very easy target.
But at the end of the day as long as the guy produces the goods on the field I am not bothered. Andy Gregory loved a drink in his Wigan days and yet was still a champion player. IMO the same applies to Martin Gleeson.
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Quote ="kirkamania6"Fielden and Coley offer no go forward between them. This is a big problem for us because all our go forward is from Feka and Hock, no-one else makes the opposition concerned when they are driving it up. For what Fielden is on his performances simply aren't good enough and most weeks he is our 3rd or 4th best prop when he should be our best every week!'"
Although I partially agree with you about Fielden (his wage), it's not really his fault he's on that wage, Uncle Mo threw the cash and he accepted.
Quote The only problem I have with Feka is his defence sometimes as it can be a little slack but everytime he takes it up he makes great yards and is IMO the most dangerous ball carrier in super league, for you to say Feka only plays 10 minutes and want Kylie Leuluai is a little bizarre to be honest because Kylie plays less minutes than Feka.'"
I didn't say get rid of Feka for LeuLaui, I meant adding K.LuLu to the pack would beef it up considerably. I've not gotten to many Wigan games this season through other commitments, so maybe I am a little un-educated on Feka so far, but in the Leeds game he didn't play very long at a time.
Quote Feka has significantly improved his game time and has been playing around 40 minutes a game for us this season which for an impact prop is fantastic. I don't think Feka would get half the criticism he does if the rest of the pack were up to it because we wouldn't need him to play so long. How many impact props play more than 40 minutes?
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Feka doesn't get any criticism - he's untouchable to most fans. I'm sorry but IMO he is useless in defence and only useful in attack after a 5min rest - even if it is on the pitch. I can't deny some of his bursts leave me in awe but IMO two/three runs like that a game are not good enough when he does barely anything to back it up.
Signing another prop such as Lynch/K.LuLu would considerably help Feka and Fielden in the pack.
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| Quote ="cadoo"A lot of the time rugby league fans and the media love to overhype players when they seem them at pubs/clubs etc. Most of the time the players are out for a social drink and nothing more but yet it can be well over exaggerated which is just something players have to accept. Whether this applies to Gleeson I don't know but I think he is a very easy target. '"
If - as you say - he has "always produced for Warrington": why get rid?
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| Quote ="Mugwump"If - as you say - he has "always produced for Warrington": why get rid?'"
Because he didn't want to play for them. I thought that was clear.
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| Quote ="Mugwump"If - as you say - he has "always produced for Warrington": why get rid?'"
Ask a Warrington Fan????
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| is it true that the only reason gleeson came available was that warrington owe the taxman over £100,000,so really they were forced to offload the player
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| Quote ="Mugwump"If - as you say - he has "always produced for Warrington": why get rid?'"
Didn't want to play for them anymore apparently. He had the desire to move to the NRL and had it in his contract that he could do so. Warrington would have lost him at the end of the season for nothing anyway and when Wigan came in with an offer they accepted.
Although he wanted to play elsewhere he still produced the goods for Warrington. In his last game he setup a beautiful try for one of the young lads at Warrington (can't remember his name) from a fantastic offload and even out of position was playing well for Warrington.
So even though his mind was elsewhere if you believe the pop at Gleeson on the Warrington website he could still create chances for them and was still one of their pivitol players with four try assists already this season which is the most for any of the Warrington players.
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"In true DaveOesque style
Although I partially agree with you about Fielden (his wage), it's not really his fault he's on that wage, Uncle Mo threw the cash and he accepted.
I didn't say get rid of Feka for LeuLaui, I meant adding K.LuLu to the pack would beef it up considerably. I've not gotten to many Wigan games this season through other commitments, so maybe I am a little un-educated on Feka so far, but in the Leeds game he didn't play very long at a time.
Feka doesn't get any criticism - he's untouchable to most fans. I'm sorry but IMO he is useless in defence and only useful in attack after a 5min rest - even if it is on the pitch. I can't deny some of his bursts leave me in awe but IMO two/three runs like that a game are not good enough when he does barely anything to back it up.
Signing another prop such as Lynch/K.LuLu would considerably help Feka and Fielden in the pack.'"
I know its not Fielden's fault he's on such a wage but for the money he's on we could have both Kylie and Lynch and probably still have a fair bit left over
I know you weren't suggesting replace Feka with Kylie but if your going to complain about Feka's game time your going to complain about Kylie's even more if he came so you would have to be prepared for that
Feka has had a fair bit of criticism on here before, he does more when he's on the pitch than Fielden and Coley do put together. If we didn't rely on him so heavily (no pun intended) we wouldn't want him to do anymore than he is now
I agree about signing a prop would considerably help the pack out as at the moment is one of the weakest in the league and doesn't strike any fear into opponents. Our backline is sorted so we just need to get the halves and front row right and we have ourselves a capable team
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| Quote ="RB"Because he didn't want to play for them. I thought that was clear.'"
WHY didn't he want to play for them?
Because they are a perennial basket case?
Because he ran foul of the club's disciplinary policy?
Because he's allergic to primrose and blue?
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| Quote ="Mugwump"WHY didn't he want to play for them?'"
Open to interpretation.
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| Quote ="Jukesays"Ask a Warrington Fan????'" Because he doznt want to play for us....
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| Quote ="cadoo"Open to interpretation.'"
Nice sidestep.
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| Quote ="the ditch"Because he doznt want to play for us....
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Why don't you tell Muwump or DumbMump or whatever his name is????
He was asking Wigan Fans why he Didn't want to play for Wire????
I suggested he may be better asking them! Is that OK????
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I work in the Town and TBH if I could get the same job back in Wigan I would Jump at the chance and probably take a Pay Cut While I'm at it!
The place is full of Lunatics! No wonder he was Drunk all the time!
I know How he feels!
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| Quote ="Mugwump"Nice sidestep.'"
I know I could make a good coach
But the truth is no-one really knows. I would say that on the whole he wanted to leave Warrington is a bit mis-interpreted. Given the choice at the end of the season he wanted to move to the NRL if he was given the opportunity and Melbourne had expressed an interest and at one point some people were claiming it to be a done deal. Had this deal fallen through which it seemed to have done I think he would have stayed at Warrington but the chance to play for his hometown club may have spurred him on to sign for Wigan. If he is true to his word and is not just playing up to the cameras then as a Wigan lad, yeah, I can believe him that he wanted to join Wigan and given the opportunity to, he has took it. If you further believe the rumours Wigan wanted him from St.helens but Saints refused to negotiate with Wigan and so he went to Warrington which might explain why he was not exactly thrilled signing for them.
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| Quote ="cadoo"Well until I see hard evidence to back it up then I will just treat it as a rumour and nothing more.
At the end of the day he has always produced for Warrington. Whether that be Fa'afilli , Hicks or Riley and if he can replicate that on the field for Wigan then I am not bothered.'"
i have witnessed some of his off pitch behaviour, trust me it can impact on all aspects of his game!
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| Quote ="slimwire66"i have witnessed some of his off pitch behaviour, trust me it can impact on all aspects of his game!'"
Of course you have.
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| Quote ="cadoo"Of course you have.'"
yes i have, idiot, i've worked the doors for 20 years, wigan, warrington and st helens town centre so why would i lie?
you thick third world moron!
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| Quote ="slimwire66"i have witnessed some of his off pitch behaviour, trust me it can impact on all aspects of his game!'"
To be fair so have i.......
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| Quote ="slimwire66"yes i have, idiot, i've worked the doors for 20 years, wigan, warrington and st helens town centre so why would i lie?
you thick third world moron!'"
I don't know you at all however given your reaction I can believe that you have worked the doors for 20 years.
The irony you have just called me thick and made that statement.
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| Quote ="PIE&PROUD"To be fair so have i.......'"
thanx
it does annoy me when people dismiss statements because of rose or in this case cherry and red tinted glasses
i think gleeson is agood signing for you, if he keeps his together off the pitch
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| Quote ="Cruncher"Saints and Leeds built their current sides up over several years of steady growth and sensible decision-making.'"
Like getting rid of Gleeson.
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| Quote ="cadoo"I don't know you at all however given your reaction I can believe that you have worked the doors for 20 years.
The irony you have just called me thick and made that statement.'"
very judgemental i also have a masters degree, so get fooked
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