And I thought it was just me............
I don't think this thread was ever about wanting to win every game, despite some of the trolls who have appeared on it.
I watched Wigan from 1965, and there were some desperate times in the 70's and early 80's. I remember crowds of around 4000 for home games, but we never seemed as lethargic and bland as now( even in the relegation year, though that could be rose tinted glasses). We always had one or two players worth watching (I remember George Fairbairn practically carrying the club single handed, and it was always worth watching those efforts).
But now it's boring Rugby by a team of whom many don't appear to care. The whole club seems to be subject to a malaise.
I confess to not making the 400+ miles round trip this season, so that may make me a category Z fan, whose opinions are worthless, but after all this time I am losing interest.
Things before have never been so bad that we receive pity from Saints fans; I think they're bored with our second rate efforts too.

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Ha Ha, no wine in Wigan this year the grapes too sour!!!, the league table don't lie and we not doing bad for a team of 5 drives and a kick, with lying on for our defence.
Get over yourself and GET USED TO IT!!! Huddersfield are back as it should be for the birthplace of the game

You are disillusioned if you think you are playing good RL. Us Wigan fans are good judges since we have been doing the whole 5 drives and a kick for 3 seasons or more.

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cracking post and i too want the proper derbies back, but cant believe you in respect of the team! IMO we DO have the team to challenge, the coaching and fitness at the club however is severely lacking and this is letting us down....compare the starting line ups of wigan and saints and i think that you do have players in some positions who are better than ours, however this can also be said of a number of ours who are better than your players in their respective positions IMO. The two teams generally on paper should be evenly matched and quite well balanced, which just goes to show how poor our current coaching and fitness set ups must be, and for how well you play collectively as a team!!!

Looking at the current preferred starting line ups;

1/ Richards >>> Wellens
2/ Meli = Roberts (maybe not on current form…but we all know how he can play and how he will when he settles in)
3/ Gidley >>> Goulding
4/ Carmont > Gilmour
5/ Ainscough = Gardner
(IMO Ainscough is better than Gardner....but granted gardner is a seasoned player, so we'll stick with equal to)
6/ Pryce > S Tompkins (going with popular opinion here....IMO tompkins is and will prove himeslf a better player than average one trick show and go leon...plus with any luck leon may be facing an enforced absence from the game shortly at her majesty's pleasure

..but pretty much the same argument as above)
7/ Long (pos in his day better than...but now) = Leuleui
8/ Cayless > Fielden
9/ Cunningham > Riddell
10/ Graham > Prescott
11/ Wilkin > Hock (ill get slated again on here for saying this, but IMO wilkin is better than liability hock)
12/ J Tomkins > Flannery
13/ O'Loughlin > Clough

14/ Roby >>> Mcillurum
15/ Feka > Mary
16/ Hansen > Hargreaves
17/ Puletua > Coley

So by my reckoning we have 1 player in the starting 17 who is vastly better than your player in the same position, while you have 2. We have 5 better players in their relative positions than you, and you have 6 on us. And I would say 3 players are probably like for like in their relative positions. On paper the two teams are well matched IMO…and it is a mixture of coaching, fitness and form which is letting us down. If we sorted that out I really believe we have a team to challenge you and leeds, but will it be sorted out ?!?!

You don't watch us every week, 1 off day is not gonna change the rugby we are playing, sign of a good team to play poor and still win!! and as I said the league dont lie, anyway I am sure if you ask, the majority of Huddersfield fans will be more than happy with the way the club are playing.

You Wigan fans need to realise that the days of Shaun Edwards and Martin Offiah are long gone.

Enjoy the rest of your season but give credit to teams where credit is due

Maybe they are, but in every other set up of the club we are clearly at top 4 if not 2 club. I do not expect a reincarnation of the 80s and 90s, tbh they were almost 'freak' like times and that dominance will not be seen again in world sport never mind RL IMO.

I dont expect to be winning everything, but as a top club i expect to be in as many finals as teams like saints and leeds and actually win something or at least get to a final at least every 2-3 years!! You may think im arrogent for saying this but wigan rl is one of the biggest names and teams in world rugby.....we should not be beat at home by castleford, wakey and huddersfield over a period of 5 years....never mind in 3 our of 4 home games!!

Suppose its a mixed result of poor coaching and the communist cap, which as said many times on here before, drags the game down to the level of those that cba!! Yeah sure....super league is getting better!!

Surely a more competetive league is a good thing with games going either way every week, mind you if you losing games you may not share the same view, Huddersfield, Cas and Wakefield have all deserved their wins at the JJB.

I could come out with same argument that Huddersfield should be in top 4 as birthplace of rugby league. Thing is it doesn't work like that you have to earn the right to be there and we are there on merit at the moment.

It's a long season but we are enjoying what we have seen so far down at the Giants.

We are just gonna have to agree to disagree on this one

dont get me wrong im glad huddersfield are doing well, and hopefully your crowds will continue to grow.....as the birthplace of RL you are right in that we need huddersfield to be strong....and i hope you are the next club to break the 10k average barrier and break into the top 6.

However, what i am saying is that however well you are doing at the moment we ARE a top 4 club and should not be losing to teams full of poor to average players such as david hodgeson, martin aspinwall, luke robinson, olli wilkis, jason netheringotn etc. The reason we are is twofold and due to both our poor coaching and the salary cap.

What i want is a strong super league where teams like huddersfield are as strong as the traditional big clubs such as wigan, leeds, bradford, stains, & hull etc. but i want this to be acheived by teams like huddersfield rasing their standards, not by artificially reducing the standards at the top clubs so we get a dilluted poor competition. look at th bradford side this yearto see how that once great club has been crippled....they're full of average players that once played for wakefield / london etc.

As a Wigan fan living in Coventry it is so frustrating not being able to be involved with the rugby week in week out, I would give anything to be able to have a season ticket and go to all the games but at the moment it is not possible.

I am completely split over this topic, Yes I would love to see us succeed now and win trophies but it is not as simple as that, success isn't going to come overnight. We are going to have to be patient.

We need a new coach and it will be a good 3-5 years IMO before we are back up the top challenging the likes of Saints and Leeds. We need to start thinking about building a team around the likes of Tomkins, Ainscough, Mossop, Farrell etc.

We need to realise we aren't going to win trophies yet, but if we stick by the team then in years to come I'm sure we will be rewarded for our loyal support with trophies and successful seasons and good RL.

Good post and I know how you feel not being able to go to games regularly. I've never understood fans who show their unhappiness with the team by staying at home. There are plenty of lads there who want to wear the cherry and white and given the chance they'll get us back on track or at least have a damn good go at it. Oh and for what it's worth, Noble's there till the end of the year at least in my opinion.

Oh yeah love watching a bunch of losers fall about as jon wilkin scores another try. Since when has wigan saints been enjoyable? 1 win in 13 against the scousers.

Hi we do understand what you feel but we (20+ years season ticket holders) are fed up with "we are building for next year". Unfortunately next year never comes.

The match on Friday was the same as 2/3/4 years ago, same style and result. The personnel have changed but the results and effort and style is as it was in 2004.

We are poor in most facets of the game but have very well paid players who should be able to do better. Also a coach who must be probaly the best paid in the league. to be fair to BN he did what was needed in the Great Escape season and to me there was more excitment and a far bettter team with more effort than now. I have posted before that in my view we would have ("not of" please anybody who posts just look at auto correct on MS Word for the correct grammar and sense) been close to the Grand Final but for salary cap issues.

Any idea if there's going to be another fans' forum this season?

We should change our name to 'Mediocrity RLFC'

What happened to 'keep the faith'?

The last 2 games i have watched Wigan (salford and hudds) i have been bored and spent more time chatting to the people around me.

Is so uninspiring to watch us, the lack of ideas is shocking, Unless a player can break a one on one tackle we are option less.

Im sorry to say, but until Wigan bring in something new, by this i mean a coach. It will stay this way.

Currently, i am not looking forward to my rugby at the end of the working week.

The faith is still there that someday in my lifetime we will win another trophy

I agree Salford game i chatted for most of it, the odd break was exciting. Didn't go to Hudds had a 21st to go to.

I am pretty bored now I'm bored of the effortless performances, i'm bored of being "out-enthused", i'm bored of Fielden, I'm bored of 5 tackles kick rugby, i'm bored of losing, i'm bored of "building for next season", i'm bored of all the doom and gloom from the fans which is deserved, i'm bored of waiting for success and i don't mean win everything success i mean just your normal consistant worked hard for success.

I'm just bored of waiting for Wigan to pull their fingers out and stop being such boring, mediocre, out-enthused, money grabbing, crab entertaining rugby club.

I'm just bored.

Ian Lenegan...I'm Bored!

I am also frustrated but I just can't accept that the performance on Friday was effortless. I think the effort was there but the application wasn't. I also don't agree with people who say Wigan's plight is a result of the cap. That is rubbish. Wigan have a squad to rival most teams in the league and is certainly at least as good a Hudds, Cas and Wakefield. For me the issue is tactics and coaching. I am fed up with the same players making the same mistakes week after week . I can accept any player making a mistake but not the same mistake week after week and season after season.

The total lack of variation in play is a real worry and the buck has to stop at the door of BN. On Friday when Luke Robinson was sin binned the team still ploughed up the middle with little effect. Why have two good wingers and hardly use them! I feel sorry for Ainscough because he didn't receive any decent running opportunties all night and then he comes under criticism from some people when he made a mistake at the end.

I also don't accept that the players don't care and that there is a problem throughout the club. There doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the Reserves who played well against Hudds and won easily.

I don't think Wigan are far away from being a decent team but I am very frustrated that the little things that will make a big difference and just not being put right. Brian, my patience is running out!

good post!

i think its a combination of everything, a team that is imo filled with a good few players that are average at best and a coach that is totally out of date!!

even if we had a decent side we'd still be way behind leeds/saints!

Maybe I was seeing things, but on Friday we looked to have dummy runners and created a few overlaps with players coming from deep. It's been coming on for the last few weeks IMO, maybe BN has finally woken up

On Friday when Wigan did spin it out wide with quick hands they scored two very good tries. So despite what is said about average players etc I strongly believe this team is fundamentally good enough to be up there, albeit not as good as Saints and Leeds but good enough to be beating most teams.

I have no doubt that things will improve as we approach the 'business end of the season' but as a season ticket holder I want to watch good rugby in March as well!

Good thread.

Bored is the best way to describe it.

No passion, no heart, no ideas.