We have never really taken advantage of the rule. Even back in the Faz days.

Pat could easily kick them, he has the power but I don't think he has the place kicking skill to do it.

Maybe Pat should start practicising them

Forget accuracy, forget field position, and forget who has the biggest boot, what no-one has taken into consideration is that rugby players are a bit thick, and to remember to try a 40/20 and then to remember when and where how one is got, is a bit much for your average rugby league player to comprehend.
A rugby league player with brains stands out in this game, and always has done.

Some of them cant even remember how to hold onto a ball without it getting knocked out of their grasp by the faintest of sneezes.

Indeed. Just like the two incidents with the Leeds players: kicking the ball away when a clear 'back to one' had been called by the ref, plus the conceding possession on the last tackle even though the ref shouted 'fifth and last', then when caught look around bewildered whilst refusing to give the ball up.
Thick as pig muck some of them!

40/20 is a brilliant rule and tbf it isn't used by most teams no where near enough. As for Wigan using it, I have no idea why we don't as we have plenty of kickers who are capable of doing so.

I agree that the 40/20 is a great rule that isn't used enough by any club not just ours.

Slightly O/T here and i'm not sure if its been mentioned before, but our kicks on the last on Friday were not the best. Far too many times we fling it back to Richards to boot it and everyone is offside. Seems to me theres a lack of organisation on the last and were not really sure who our "go to" kicker is.

I have never been a fan of the 40/20 as I think it does nothing to reward putting in a decent defensive set of 6.

Take last Friday, Pat puts in a deep kick, we give a good chase and put in a decent effort to keep Leeds well in there own half. Then with just a big boot they are given the ball from a scrum feed less the 20 metres from our line.

I guess this will be a marmite thing though, you either like the rule or you dont.

I think it's a little more complicated than 'just a big boot'. It was a cracking kick and was rightly rewarded.

I like 40/20's, nothing better than seeing your own team reclaim possession on the opposition's 20.

I agree there is a lot of skill involved in placing the kick, but I cant help but feel it rewards the team who have been under the cosh for a set of six.

I think once Sam develops a bit more and takes on more responsibility he will do more kicking in open play

I think he has shown with a few kicks so far he potentially has an excellent kicking game

As someone has mentioned I think there is confusion as to who are 'go to' kicker is

I think at the moment it should be Tommy unless we are deep within our own half where Pat should take over simly because he has a big boot on him

I have confidence in Tommy that when he is our go to man he would deliver the goods and would only get better the more games like this he has

Well pal you've lost me with the first bold bit and hardly claimed the moral high ground with the second!

The reason for my question re you and our language is because you misinterpreted my post. Now, you either can't follow what I posted or, like many on here, twist others' posts to suit yourself. If - and I merely state if - you are as hard of thinking as you appear I'll take you through it all again if you like in as much detail as you can absorb.

Here goes...

I personally thought Pat was too laid back in his performance and said so. [iThis isn't me asking for him to be replaced, OK so far?[/i Good.

Since you happened to mention replacements I stated that I was unhappy with Roberts and put you right on the fact that he isn't a work in progress but was signed as a seasoned pro who would drop right in with the minimum of fuss. [iIMO[/i (and that's what a forum like this is for) he has been disappointing and playing way below his NRL form.

The point you make about needing a good centre is valid but doesn't totally exonerate him. It doesn't explain his hopelessness under the high ball (he cost us the Hull game and bombed another against Leeds). Also has everything achieved by Ainscough been handed to him on a plate by his centre? Of course not.

Finally, I accept the point re Pryce's lack of fitness but feel he must have improved - a feeling based somewhat on comments posted by those who watch the reserves - and is pushing hard for a start. Plus he would have scored the interception.

HTH.

Re the idea of getting Pat to practice place kicking and esp for 40/20 - nice idea IF he is going to play full back on a permanent basis and that is the key. If he is going back to being a winger then it would be a waste.