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| Quote ="odemwingie"Or
Prescott, OCarroll, Lynch and Feka with Fielden pushing for a place.'"
Fielden is the best prop at Wigan. Feka IMO is vastly over-rated, 2-3 good runs a match and 10-15mins isn't good enough.
A front row of Fielden, Lynch, Feka and O'Carroll/Prescott is a fantastic one.
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| Quote ="captain hotknives"And that would not surprise me at all, but would disappoint me . I really hope that wont be the case and if it is the club should look at giving shorter or rolling contracts .'"
It's sadly been the case at this club for a while now.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"Fielden will be on fire in 2010...............because he'll want a new contract.'"
Your not wrong there
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| Quote ="100% Warrior"Fielden is the best prop at Wigan. Feka IMO is vastly over-rated, 2-3 good runs a match and 10-15mins isn't good enough.
A front row of Fielden, Lynch, Feka and O'Carroll/Prescott is a fantastic one.'"
I agree with you about Fielden. I am not sure why some fans are critical of him as so far this season his effort has been very good and he has been consistent.
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| Quote ="Bolton_Warrior"I agree with you about Fielden. I am not sure why some fans are critical of him as so far this season his effort has been very good and he has been consistent.'"
I think people are citical because lets face it for the wages he's meant to be on and for the transfer fee we paid he hasn't lived up to expectation.
He does a decent job and is better then Coley and probably more valuble then Feka but overall he's never reached the heights here we'd have all expected of him.
He was getting back to his best in the last 3rd of last season but has started this season very slow imo. Maybe his world cup rejection has knocked his confidence back.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"I think people are citical because lets face it for the wages he's meant to be on and for the transfer fee we paid he hasn't lived up to expectation.
He does a decent job and is better then Coley and probably more valuble then Feka but overall he's never reached the heights here we'd have all expected of him.
He was getting back to his best in the last 3rd of last season but has started this season very slow imo. Maybe his world cup rejection has knocked his confidence back.'"
I think even if he would of gone to the WC her wouldn't of recaptured his form
He only seems to show top form when angry or when he's got something to play for
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| Quote ="odemwingie"I agree but you cant deny Lynch wouldnt be a great signing to replace someone like Coley.
People also forget props hit their best years from 27-30 and we have 2 young props already cutting it in super league and more, do the maths
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Oh dont get me wrong, Lynch would still be a quality signing. My point was that OCarroll is very similar just much younger (therefor not at his peak or experienced which is where Lynch has the advantage)
Id still want Lynch if he could be signed
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| Quote ="kirkamania6"I think even if he would of gone to the WC her wouldn't of recaptured his form
He only seems to show top form when angry or when he's got something to play for'"
The angry bit is definatly something i agree with. When he is riled he becomes a different animal and looks back to his old self.
His run of really good form last year started against Wire at home when Briers hit him heigh and from that point he started to look his old self even taking on Peacock in a couple of cracking battles.
I've said it before we need a specialist 'beating' coach to kick the crap out of him before kick off!
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| Quote ="Bolton_Warrior"I agree with you about Fielden. I am not sure why some fans are critical of him as so far this season his effort has been very good and he has been consistent.'" I do agree is form has been better this year and he seems to be running straighter lines . Before joined wigan he always seemed to have great fast play of the ball ,which would always catch defences out i hope he can get this back in his game . Perhaps sometimes we expect to high a standard from him due to his past and or wages . sorry slow post agree with N.K.
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| How good really are the props at Wigan?
Fielden defensively is solid, barely breaks the line or offloads the ball, not worth the money he's on. Probably get a top house prop for his cash (and maybe someone else.
Coley, don't even get me started.
Feka, He can change the game when he's on, always a handful, great to watch. Has fitness issues even for an impact prop, don't think this will ever been corrected.
Prescott Stuck in the reserves for whatever reason.
O Carroll, arguably our best prop so far this season, but in all honesty this doesn't say much. He looks better than he actually is. Let's play him week in, week out to see how he develops, he has potential.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"How good really are the props at Wigan?
Fielden defensively is solid, barely breaks the line or offloads the ball, not worth the money he's on. Probably get a top house prop for his cash (and maybe someone else.
Coley, don't even get me started.
Feka, He can change the game when he's on, always a handful, great to watch. Has fitness issues even for an impact prop, don't think this will ever been corrected.
Prescott Stuck in the reserves for whatever reason.
O Carroll, arguably our best prop so far this season, but in all honesty this doesn't say much. He looks better than he actually is. Let's play him week in, week out to see how he develops, he has potential.'"
You could expand the question for me. How good are any of our players? Who do we have that actually scares or even concerns our opposition?
Leeds have Webb, Burrow, McGuire, Donald, Peacock (on the slide now, though IMO) and Buderus. Saints have Gidley, Roby, KFC, Pryce and Long. We have no "threat" players IMO except possibly TL when playing hooker.
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| I agree Jimmy.
Lets be totally honest and who is a genuine threat, for me:
Feka (Impact runs)
S Tomkins (Passing, can spot a game and go through it)
J Tomkins (Needs more game time at 13)
Carmont (Unsure about this one if I'm honest, can break the line)
Tommy (Only as a 9. Dummy runs will cause a problem, he has a quick step, burst of speed)
Pat (Only from a cross field kick
Hock (Very strong running with the ball)
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"The angry bit is definatly something i agree with. When he is riled he becomes a different animal and looks back to his old self.
His run of really good form last year started against Wire at home when Briers hit him heigh and from that point he started to look his old self even taking on Peacock in a couple of cracking battles.
I've said it before we need a specialist 'beating' coach to kick the crap out of him before kick off!'"
Bang on mate
Watching him against Peacock when we beat them at home and in the final eliminator was pretty good. Remember Ganson's 'Your meant to be best mates you 2'? I hate Ganson but that was pretty good
Anyone willing to sacrafice themselves to make Fielden angry pre-kick off
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"You could expand the question for me. How good are any of our players? Who do we have that actually scares or even concerns our opposition?
Leeds have Webb, Burrow, McGuire, Donald, Peacock (on the slide now, though IMO) and Buderus. Saints have Gidley, Roby, KFC, Pryce and Long. We have no "threat" players IMO except possibly TL when playing hooker.'"
I think we have 4 players who the opposition should worry about
One is playing in the wrong position
One is often injured,suspended or brain farting
One isn't on the pitch for long enough
One only made his debut on Saturday
Notable mentions,
Pat from a high kick
Carmont in the opposition 30
Ainscough when given a bit of space
I hate to sound like a broken record but I think we are missing Trent a lot more than we thought we would
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| What do you get when you remove the man from a one man team?
Wigan. No more Barrett!
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"How good really are the props at Wigan?
Fielden defensively is solid, barely breaks the line or offloads the ball, not worth the money he's on. Probably get a top house prop for his cash (and maybe someone else.
Coley, don't even get me started.
Feka, He can change the game when he's on, always a handful, great to watch. Has fitness issues even for an impact prop, don't think this will ever been corrected.
Prescott Stuck in the reserves for whatever reason.
O Carroll, arguably our best prop so far this season, but in all honesty this doesn't say much. He looks better than he actually is. Let's play him week in, week out to see how he develops, he has potential.'"
And who tops the tackle busts this season?
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=29&hs2=2009&hp2=19&stat=tackle_busts&season=2009[/url
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| And that makes him worth his cap? Remember who was top tackler last season, does he warrant that sort of cap as well? no.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"And that makes him worth his cap? Remember who was top tackler last season, does he warrant that sort of cap as well? no.'"
It was in reply to he rarely breaks a tackle.
Now does he or doesn't he?
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| I told disagree with that stat. I will obviously need to see their definition of a 'tackle bust'.
Regardless that wasn't the initial point now was it. This is about his worth. Bottom line being I don't think he's worth his cap space. If you think this stat justifies his cap then good for you.
Otherwise why else purely focus on that comment? could you not find fault with the other comments?
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| If Fielden is worth what he is paid or not is a pointless debate. He is on that money for another season.
FWIW when we signed him, he was worth that money. Regardless of what has happened since, nobody would go back in time and change the decision to get him.
Fielden cops alot of unfair stick, the reason for that is how dominant he was at Bradford, look at the assistance he had, then look at our pack. Then realise why he doesn't seem as effective.
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| I agree with that...
When he signed him, he was the British prop we all wanted.
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| Quote ="Last Son of Wigan"I agree with that...
When he signed him, he was the British prop we all wanted.'"
Exactly.
Nobody could ever be blamed for signing Fielden because at the time we were signing the best prop in the world.
Not one Wigan fan would have turned the guy down.
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| Fielden is still the best performing prop at Wigan - by a long margin.
Anyone who says he isn't playing well or has been one of our better performers this season has a pre-conceived idea about him or are swayed by a percieved 'value for money' notion.
Eamon is shaping up very well and is displaying the potential to be a very good player for a number of years at wigan.
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| Quote ="Big Steve"
Anyone who says he isn't playing well or has been one of our better performers this season has a pre-conceived idea about him or are swayed by a percieved 'value for money' notion.
Eamon is shaping up very well and is displaying the potential to be a very good player for a number of years at wigan.'"
Just about sums it up for me
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