dont ask me.....ask him

Okay, so everything being aired here is supposition.

We're bound to put forward these kinds of views when the club's apparently in turmoil. But much of it is guesswork.

I've heard a lot of stuff about BN and IL not getting on. But I've also heard that they have a good professional relationship. Likewise, some have said that IL won't spend money, while others have argued that he can't because there still isn't room under the cap.

Which is true? Who knows?

All I think we can really comment on with authority is what we see on the field. For that reason alone, I still feel that, unless Nobby can turn things around quickly, his time at Wigan must now be limited. He has more than enough good players to keep us safely in the upper half of the table, but the lack of structured team-play and apparent motivation (not just this season, but last season too) must put questions against either his ability or his interest, or both. I don't think we can realistically put the blame anywhere else at present.

Why would you play Joel in the centres when he's our best overall back rower?

Bailey is a recognised centre/SR, similar to Gilmore etc. Surely he's better suited to the position other than causing more disruption throughout the team.

Or..Karl Pryce to the centre.

I do however like how we are all finally recognising that Goulding isn't cutting it in the centres. Having him and smith on one side isn't a good idea.

At the Wakey game I thought the Phelps/Roberts combo was terrible in defence. So Phelps is a no go for me.

I expect Nobles team to be something like...

Mathers
Roberts, Goulding, Carmont, Richards
Smith, Tommy
Fieldmouse, Riddell, O Carroll
Hock, Bailey
Lockers
---------------
J Tomkins
Feka
Coley
Hansen

Whereas I would like to see...

Richards
Roberts, Bailey, Caromont, Ainscough
Sam, Smith
Fieldmouse, Tommy, O'Carroll
Hansen, Lockers
J Tomkins
---------------
Hock
Feka
Pryce
Riddell

Where in the blue hell has all this talk of Joel to centre come from?

Thanks. I couldn't understand his performance. Even the Saints fans I was sitting near were grumbling about him.

It was just a thought, the reason behind it is simple, he offers so much more going forward, against Wakefield he looked very dangerous running wide in the centres.

I am also not convinced by Bailey's defence head on he is fine but against pace he was shown signs of weakness exposed by our defensive tactics. Playing Bailey further in the middle leaves him less exposed to pace.

As i said it was just a thought, lets face it although solid in defence 2 years ago in the centre position i think personally time is catching up very quickly with Bailey.

Please no more disruption at Wigan with more players playing out of position.
So have we now established we need a new centre as well as a 6 and a house prop?

I would probably agree.

1 Richards
2 Roberts
3 Gasnier/SBW/Chris Ashton?/
4 Carmont
5 Ainscough
6 Bosc/Lockyer/Marshall
7 Tomkins
8 Civoniceva/Cayless/Moi Moi/Cordoba/Kite
9 Tommy
10 Lynch
11 Hock
12 Lockers
13 J Tomkins
----------------
14 Feka
15 O'Carroll
16 Drew (Yes Brad Drew!)
17 Pryce
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Included a few 'curve balls'!

So were going to get all that under cap

He has a big cap

Lets see...

We'd release:

Mathers
Phelps
Fielden
Coley
Bailey
Riddell

for...

Chris Ashton
Brad Drew
Petro
Lynch
Bosc

Or play O'Carroll instead of Lynch.

Which is 4 for 5 players +the 20k we already have. We all know Fielden/Riddell/Bailey will be on a lot between them.

Think about it... when a cap is worked well Leeds have

Peacock
Senior
Burrow
McGuire
Webb
Danny B
Seinfeld
Disco
Donald

plus a strong squad all under the cap.

You are Maurice Lindsay and I claim my £5.

And then...

If people such as Lockers, Hansen, Roberts, Goulding, are taking too much of the cap up, they can be released.

We have the likes of Ferrell/Mossop/Flanny/Tuson/plus other younger players dying to prove they can do a better job.

I have no idea how you expect us just to make these contracted players simply vanish into thin air, or say they can be released, when any compensation packages that would be required to simply release these player would count towards the cap.

Why would you want to get rid of any of them anyway?

Coley, Mathers and Bailey have to be the first to go.

I don't expect this to be an overnight transformation.

I can't believe I actually had to point that out.
But yet again you were probably just trying to argue for the sake of it.

odemwingie- Did you actually read the previous posts before commenting on Goulding etc?

I clearly stated the likes of Coley/Bailey/Mathers would be the first out.

Given some of these lads are on 3 and 4 year deals that you wish to release it is far from an overnight transformation, which will also see many of the players you wish to join us have retired by then!

Try the end of 2010.

NOT AN OVERNIGHT TRANSFORMATION!

Don't you just love how people on here would sooner argue or try to critise rather than the positives in the post. Good mentally to have.

Well Roberts Locky and Riddell are still contracted then that you would happily release, for a start, meaning we would have to pay Riddell compensation on 1 years wage Locky and Roberts 2 years.

I am not trying to argue i just think its a very daft statement to make and a totally unrealistic one.

Don't dare call anything I say to be anything daft when I'm on a RL Wigan fan site.

If you don't like my post then shut up and don't bother responding to it.

So basically everyone should stop posting on a thread once you have posted then?

The statement was daft and unrealistic by 2010, also its daft by 2012 given Drew will have retired etc etc etc.

I find it interesting you question others mentality yet throw a hissy fit when someone points out the huge flaws in your line of thought.

Not questioning anyones anything. Some people have creative and developmental comments regarding team line ups etc, others like to argue and pick at comments on here.

Lets look at the players I initially mentioned getting rid of

-Coley
-Riddell
-Fielden
-Mathers
-Phelps
-Bailey

Now lets look at the ages of the players I mentioned coming in:

Aston- early 20s
SBW-Early 20s
Bosc-25 now
Marshall- 23

The prop is a different situation. It's all about the type of prop we need. I could have well have mentioned several other younger props, I was stating the type of prop.

Lets face it, you're only gonna try and pick wholes in it. At least it'll give you something to do with your day other than paint you're 'we hate nobby' banners.

Hey, you're the one who's turning this into an argument. All Jonh did was point out that your suggestion was impractical, and then he gave reasons why.

Even ignoring the contract factor, do you seriously think we could accommodate SBW, Chris Ashton and Tommy Bosc under the cap, and still maintain a healthy sized squad. The first two are on massive money in RU, and Bosc probably soon will be when he goes to RU.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see all of them in cherry and white, but I think you've got to be more realistic.

I;m making it an argument? Sorry didn't know he was your boyfriend, I thought that was another poster.

Picking and calling people names is the basis of an argument. I'm not going to let my opinions be called when they are valid.

Lets face it.. I could pick holes myself and argue my reasons for the team mentions till I'm blue in the face, why I've mentioned SBW, Ashton and Gasiner.
Why I withdrew the likes of Coley etc.

But this will only allow people like you to argue.

So what the point.

You know, silly insults will only get you whizzed - as other posters who can't stand their views being disagreed with have found out in recent times.

But hey, you're right - it's not worth arguing about. You stick to your guns, and I'll stay out of it.