Even if you take into consideration the fact we have 10000 season tickets. What happens to the fans who want to buy tickets throughout the season? And it also always limits away support to around 3000. Never heard so much rubbish in all my life

You need some better maths mate, plus i said 2011 not 2010, why don't i pull Bradfords attendances of 2003 instead of 2011 i could make a point they are the best supported team.

taking away you'r three biggest because a) Wigan v Wire, Wire v Saints, Saints v Wigan unnaturally scew results they would all sell out 20k+ no matter what stadium currently if played at home(saints not quite at home this year scews theirs slightly)
b) artifically inflated attendance v Hudds (look at your previous season seeing as you like that in which you get nowhere near 19k for Hudds)

The average without those 3 games is actually 14,037 (would you like a lesson in working out averages?)
and yes i know the HJ is 13, 024 but i also said FOR WIGAN, you must actually remember other teams bring fans too which means 13024 is big enough for JUST Wigan, obviously you factor in away support at a least 1k

I've seen you maths on other threads anyway OD.

It's like Warrington justifying having a 22k stadium just because we could sell it out against you, another reason i took those games out the equation.
Our attendance is roughy (without actually working it out 10.5k) now you factor in a potential 2 games v Saints and Wigan selling 22k and the average jumps up by 2 thousand.

Long and short of it, 18k is more than adequate for Wigan just because a couple of games goes above it doesn't mean it's the norm and doesn't justify saying 'we are the biggest team therfore need more than 18k'.

You're average would suggest you don't more than 18k and factoring out 2 games that go against the norm/average (meaning your usual level) all your fans would fit in our stadium.

Can't believe i typed that out for the sake of my own ego, im cream cracked.

Lastly
(18k for Quins, thanks Heinz)

Firstly the size of the stadium is related to more than just this year which is why I used that stat.

They don't screw results, like we said, we get more 18k crowds than just from those games.

FOR WIGAN

oh dear Yed you really are hitting a new low. I can't even believe I am wasting my time posting back. What stadium is big enough for Warrington then taking away the big crowds

can we not allow for expansion etc. You really are an idiot.

Of course I know how to work out an average, but an average includes ALL of the results not just YEDS selected ones.

22k sell out against us? No chance. The games against us only sell-out days before the games. When we get 22k crowds against you we usually have 16k sold a week before. It doesn't happen overnight. Your team doesn't experience crowds this high though so I can understand the confusion.

The FACT is we DO get those crowds so we DO need that sized stadium. The chairman wants to aim for a 20k average.

You are a MOD, you behaviour is sometime just plain stupid...

made up fact of the day?

And I remember watching Wigan against Saints when there were about 47,747 fans at Central Park. Things used to be rosier than they are now.

Which season was this? I checked on Bilko's site and looked at 1980-81 when we were in the 2nd division but Workington weren't in the same division. The year after when we played them there were 5910. I have watched Wigan for over 50 years and I can't remember a crowd of 2,500 against Workington. I may be wrong because I haven't been to every match and I missed a lot through playing some rugby myself.

I was given a shilling (5p) for attendance to home games in the hen pen next to the players tunnel. Most times it would be save the money and climb over the wall near the cop end or St Mary's. Things in the 70's certainly were not all rosey, poor attended games and maybe the Wigan sevens and Locker cup as the highlights.

Missing the point-tastic, Wire sold 35K for wembley, should we build a 35k stadium?

Wire would probably sell 20k+ plus tickets if we had the capacity, for a derby game, doesn't mean we should have a 20k+ stadium for the sake of 2 games a year.

18k would be ideal for wigan like someone says 10k season ticket holders, 3k allocation MAX for away fans, 5k home walk up.

but thats for a final at a neutral venue. We are on about home league matches

No, i'm on about a potential maximum crowd versus average for the sake of working out how big your stadium should IDEALLY be.

ok, but why bring up a crowd for a final in a neutral venue?

lol yed give it up mate you're failing on massive levels here.

It was an extreme, it shows there are 35k out there, so should we cater for them?

The answer is no, and just because you can get 24k for a home game (Saints) does it justify having it that big when 24k is nowhere near your average.

How so because the partisan Wigan fans on the Wigan board don't agree.

If IL decided to build a stadium for Wigan RL do you honestly think he'd build it at 25,133 ?

but there arent. Just like there isnt 30k wigan fans out there but there will be at wembley for the occasion. Oh and weve had 25 on v saints too

no, to be honest id like an 18k one with corners filled in.

if you can fill it for a league game then it's best to have one that can accommodate the number of fans that are turning up in the current climate. Wigan have proven over the last 4-5 seasons that they can get crowds of over 20,000 so the stadium has to be big enough for that, whether it's a derby is irrelavent.

Yes you've sold out the DW, loving chuff not my point.
Can i word this any different

You get more games under 18k than those over 18k (does that work), around 70% this season, probably increasing when you play your next 2 games, 'kin hell.

Do some of you not live in the real world, yes i know you'd like a nice big stadium of your own but the fact is if you did build one it wouldn't be as big as DW and it would more than likely be the same size as Saints.
Fact over expectation.

I'll just add i'm off to work, and as i feel i have too much ownership (that doesn't mean i've owned anyone btw just contributed too much and made it about me) that i'll pm any response to satisfy you that i've not given up on my point, which has nothing to do with me not supporting wigan or supporting your enemy but just a logical argument.

I was thinking along the lines of this argument a few days ago

Crowds will increase over the years so what happens when years down the line we sell like 25k season tickets?

Yes you can fill the corners in but it will happen at all clubs what do they do?

HY,
How long do you think it will take to get the return on the investment made in adding the extra seats at the HJ?

With most new stadiums there is always the scope to remove the roof of one of the stands and built a second tier on top.

History shows that when clubs build a new stadium their crowds tend to go up. For instance, Warrington were getting something like 7,000 so it was considered that a ground the size of the HJ would be sufficient. Now they're on about extending it by filling the corners in, because it's now not big enough.

Similarly, weren't Wigan only attracting something like an average of 9,500 during their last year at Central Park? 18k's fine at St Helens.

Going back to the topic! Wonder whats its going to be called

I was wondering how I should describe you.

Where have I stated that just because we will take loads to a cup final that we need a bigger venue. I just didn't do that.

The thing is YOU WOULDN'T sell that many for a derby. The saints derby game this year sold out 4 days before the game. How would you have sold over 7k tickets in those 4 days? You just wouldn't!!!!!

What don't you understand... WE DO GET THOSE BIG GATES!!! Therefore the extra capacity is handy.

How about we take away wires two big gates and then give them an 11k capacity.....

Oh dear you are making yourself look even more stupid. First you said a 13k capacity stadium would be enough and now you are saying an 18k capacity would be enough.

Do you really think the club would have been happy at losing out on all that extra revenue???

Also the stadium wouldn't have had the chance to host some of the huge international matches it has had with an 18k capcity. You are talking tripe.

I am not saying we need that size stadium because I am arrogant, not because 'we are Wigan', not because I think we are a big club..... but because believe it or not we do actually go over 18k at times.... What don't you understand.

Isn't that the reason wire are expanding? They don't fill it every game... like us... but they know they could get more for certain games... like us.