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| Quote ="moto748"Can't get a game for a bottom of the league side, then?'"
Yeh he cant get a game because of a dispute with the club. This forum was asking about options for goal kickers, I have given an option. He was Canterbury Bulldog number 7 and also was NSW number 7 when the blues last won the state of origin series.........so he aint that bad then
Newcastle would probably beat majority of super league clubs so cant really compare
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| Patrick Ah Van is a good man
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| Quote ="Geoff"That's my point: our "normal" defence, prior to this season, would concede less than 20 points per game, on average. That's what needs fixing, not our attack.'"
Playing with a winger as a full back is a big chunk of the problem. Full back co-ordinates a lot of the defence which Tierney didn't seem to do at all against Leigh.
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| Quote ="The Whiffy Kipper"Patrick Ah Van is a good man'"
And you are 'Pacific' using another name or just very poor at winding people up.
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| Quote ="King Johns II"Yeh he cant get a game because of a dispute with the club. This forum was asking about options for goal kickers, I have given an option. He was Canterbury Bulldog number 7 and also was NSW number 7 when the blues last won the state of origin series.........so he aint that bad then
Newcastle would probably beat majority of super league clubs so cant really compare'"
I think if there's a million to one chance of getting Hodkinson we should go for it. Cracking option and just what we need! Great shout!!
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| I feel like we can't afford Hodkinson and even if we could someone like Leeds would be able to outbid us.
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| Quote ="Wigg'n"I feel like we can't afford Hodkinson and even if we could someone like Leeds would be able to outbid us.'"
I think you might be underestimating Rad and IL to be honest. If the player is right for the club, I'm confident they'd get him.
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| I've just never been much of a fan of Hodkinson. He is (or, rather, was, he seems to have fallen away lately, from what I can see) a good goal-kicker, but doesn't offer that much as a half in my book. Someone like Blake Green for example, who is no NRL superstar, but a good solid pro, is a much better footballer than Hodkinson in my book.
And I don't think Newcastle would beat *most* SL sides.
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| But they'd beat us with our defence right now!
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| Quote ="Bigredwarrior"And you are 'Pacific' using another name or just very poor at winding people up.'" Why is it a wind up?, i'm sick to death of this "he's not Wigan standard" arrogance, i don't know if you have noticed but it's not 1989 and we are currently in 7th place with 16 points, any kicker is better than no kicker even if it was just for one season until we could find the right player to sign long term.
Oh and BTW i am NOT Pacific, are you the formerly known as King Warrior?
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| good to see they will be practising, Let's hope it's not like most people at a driving range practising faults, and there is some real coaching going on.
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| Have we got a kicking coach.
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| Quote ="moto748"I've just never been much of a fan of Hodkinson. He is (or, rather, was, he seems to have fallen away lately, from what I can see) a good goal-kicker, but doesn't offer that much as a half in my book. Someone like Blake Green for example, who is no NRL superstar, but a good solid pro, is a much better footballer than Hodkinson in my book.
And I don't think Newcastle would beat *most* SL sides.'"
Correct he is a good goal kicker and offers not much else this is similar to what Matty Smith offered but I hear many saying "Why we let Matty Smith go" he's goal kicking werent to the high level many Wigan supporters wanted. The question was who available and I think Trent Hodkinson would be available but we would have to drop Tommy or Powell with one losing there place or becoming the bench hooker. There are many other players who are good goal kickers but dont offer much more...........Sneyd is a perfect example and is why they needed to get Kelly in along side him as a running 6 because apart from kicking he dont really offer much else.
Blake Green was a good 6 but he isnt a goal kicker so this comparison doesnt make sense.
We need to decide if a goal kicker is needed more than a better overall player........I think the only position up for question going forward will be scrum half to when I expect Jake Shorrocks to take the shirt and become our goal kicker.
At the end of the date there is more change of Pat Richards coming out of retirement than us signing a goal kicker because as we have seen with recent signings they are either past players (wanes mates) or project players (Isa, Escare, Navarette)
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| Quote ="Geoff"www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby-league/wigan-warriors/williams-welcomes-time-to-work-on-goal-kicking-1-8593586
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| Trent Hodgkinson maybe a good shout or even someone like Jack Owens, won't take up much space on the cap, and can fill in a centre or wing
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| Quote ="Chris_H" even someone like Jack Owens, won't take up much space on the cap, and can fill in a centre or wing'"
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| Quote ="Chris_H"Trent Hodgkinson maybe a good shout or even someone like Jack Owens, won't take up much space on the cap, and can fill in a centre or wing'"
You would want three of Manfredi/Gelling/Gildart/Burgess/Marshall/Davies sat in the stands whilst Jack Owens has a guaranteed spot just because he can kick?
IMO you pick your best team, then the best kicker among them does that job. The best three or so kickers should always be staying back after training and practicing with a kicking coach.
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| Quote ="The Whiffy Kipper"Another reason why Wane has to go'"
Please do is all a favour and close your pointless account on this forum!
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| Quote ="Grimmy"You would want three of Manfredi/Gelling/Gildart/Burgess/Marshall/Davies sat in the stands whilst Jack Owens has a guaranteed spot just because he can kick?
IMO you pick your best team, then the best kicker among them does that job. The best three or so kickers should always be staying back after training and practicing with a kicking coach.'"
That's my point really, we all would all love decent/successful goal kicker at the club who can kick, but we cant "build players" to suit our requirements or bring back inferior players just because they have kicked a goal! If a goal kicking second row became available would you drop Farrell or Bateman to accommodate them no. As you say the likes Williams, Marshall, Powell should be practising every spare minute they have. I think long term Jake Shorrocks will get the job but until he is getting regular game time to do so we will have to develop what we have, yes people will complain at missed kicks and yes it will cost us games, but its a bigger picture and not as simple as "we need a kicker"
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| Quote ="Ashton Bears"Have we got a kicking coach.'"
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| Some people on here are a joke.Ah Van?Owens?
I agree with Wane over not picking a player just because he can kick goals and I'm pretty sure every coach thinks the same.
We have had a few weeks of shocking kicking but it's not cost us,Williams with practice should be able to get to 70% completion which will do.
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| If we haven't got a kicker then work on plays that score closer to the post..... simples...... I should have been a coach
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| Quote ="Bigredwarrior"Please do is all a favour and close your pointless account on this forum!'" So it is not Wanes fault that we are the state we are in, the head coach who doesn't want to buy a kicker, we lose games from missed goal kicks, we don't take game winning penalties because we don't have a kicker, it all comes down to one person and that is Wane, you carry on wearing your tinted glasses while clapping away happily, i won't
p.s. it is a rugby forum people are going to have different views to you, if you don't like then maybe it is you that should close their account
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| Quote ="The Whiffy Kipper"So it is not Wanes fault that we are the state we are in, the head coach who doesn't want to buy a kicker, we lose games from missed goal kicks, we don't take game winning penalties because we don't have a kicker, it all comes down to one person and that is Wane, you carry on wearing your tinted glasses while clapping away happily, i won't
p.s. it is a rugby forum people are going to have different views to you, if you don't like then maybe it is you that should close their account'"
Everyone is entitled to their opinion however I think your wrong.
1. We haven't lost because of missed kicks.
2. We have no cap space to buy a kicker.
3. If we had Owens or Ah Van for example do you think they would have scored tries that Davies and Marshall have?
I have said it before but if kicking was so important Jamie Foster would be one of the top players in Super League yet he can't get a game.
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