No, but they do pay plenty of other people's wages (my wife included, in Salford CC's case).

They are laying people off left, right and centre and their own staff are already pee'd off that they are even considering giving the reds money.

Salford CIty Council refuse £750,000 lifeline to City Reds, stating too big a risk.
Where does this leave Salford Rugby now?

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I can't see this as anything but short-sighted. Not only will it likely send them bust, but Sale won't be able to run that stadium on their own, and any leisure or additional retail development on that side of Barton bridge will surely come to a grinding halt too. Perhaps they're just more interested in the wendyballers down the road??

Having said that, I think it [i:23uxd0j3was [/i:23uxd0j3a mistake to move so far from Weaste, anyone know what their attendances before & after the move were?

[edit: i sit corrected, their avg attendance actually went up 16% between 2011 & 12

You could be playing Fev at the iconic POR in Feb instead of us.

RFL needs a major overhaul.

To realise the value in any business you need to understand your strengths and sell them to the marketplace. We seem to have a policy of ignoring our strengths, indeed we often seem embarassed by them, in favour of pipedreams that cannot succeed.

We have a great product and a customer base greater than Wales, Scotland or Ireland to sell it to, indeed the greater heartlands are as big as all three combined.

Sorry CPM I think that your post is complete and utter nonsense from start to finish. What has Salford's situation and specifically their relationship with the City Council got to do wth "wendyballers down the road"? Totally unconnected.

Sale might in the short term offer salvation from a stadium viability veiw point, better to have one paying tenant rather than none. Two would obviously be ideal generating year round income.

Peel's aspirations for this area will not be halted as the opportunity to develop along the Ship Canal from Salford Quays to Liverpool of which this site is a small part can't be tied to the (mis)fortunes of Salford City Reds.

It would be interesting to know how the increase in attendance was achieved before stating whether it was bizarre or not? A large proportion of away fans adding a new ground to their list, unsubstainable promotional offers to home supporters to soften the blow of a move from Weaste might affect any business plan going forward?

BTW I take no delight in the situation at Salford

Yes, cash for the development work Harlequins/Broncos were doing down south which is what I said. The RFL were taking on more of those responsibilities rather than just giving the club money.

I question the council's commitment to RL

Agreed, however if Sale continue in their current fashion for any length of time, will [ithey [/ibe a viable long-term proposition?

Fair enough, but as Peel also co-own the stadium will they want to have a large white elephant in the middle of any additional development (if it does end up being empty for half the year)?

again, agreed. was it home supporters or away that lifted the numbers? Either way, given that there [iwas [/ian increase and at least some attempt being made to consolidate it by SCR's management, where is the logic in the council pulling the rug from under them? They quote the privations of the times, but surely they could concede that you often need to spend money to make some? Which sends me back to questioning their commitment to one sport at the expense of another. With MU's retail expansion plans affecting large chunks of nearby Trafford, have they got one green eye on trying to cash in?

me neither

the thing with the united reserves might have some legs if the stadium isn't paying, i know a couple or so years back they where looking at the LSV as an option, the SCS would be a good base for them and peel will take money off anyone who's willing to pay them

I hope so. Don't want to see any RL clubs in this position and that includes Wire and Saints (well, I'd chuckle at first)

money is money. Maybe the RL should try and invest in the area where they have the the potential to link up or tap into the largest sporting team in the world (man utd). A lot of their ex and current players are RL supporters.

That would be huge, fans would go just for the connection. Is Maurice Watkins still on the board of the RFL? He is/was also a director of MUFC.

He's just been appointed the head of UK swimming i think

Discussions between John Wilkinson the Salford Chairman and two potential investors with a view to a takeover are still taking place,the RL who have been involved in talks with the Reds boss say the situation is delicate but believe that progress is being made.

Mr Wilkinson is expected to update fans at a Fans Forum which is being held tonight in Pendleton.

On the playing front Martin Gleeson has started training with the club, but has not officially signed yet due to the present situation,the Club also say that there is an outside chance that season tickets will go on sale prior to Xmas.

All this means that subject to tonights meeting fans may know a bit more tomorrow.

So then im guessing you would class the development officers who work in the Wigan area for the RFL as a cash handout to prop up Wigan Warriors. After all, money is money.

I would say its a waste of money if true as we employ our own both in the area and in the south of Wales.

You think Wigan Warriors are responsible for all the development work done in the Wigan area and that if any additional development work was dropped we wouldnt see any difference? You also dont think that there are grants paid through the RFL that help Wigan pay for their development officers?

That's right..

Seriously?

I have never heard anyone complain that the game was doing too much development and that it is superfluous.

Also, Wigan do receive grants from the RFL for things like development officers, as all clubs do.

There are several RFL development officers in the Wigan area and wider region. Plus at least 2 of your development officers are effectively funded by the RFL - Tommy Gallagher and Bethan Simpson.
That's how it works at most clubs I've seen, the money comes from Sport England through the RFL but the development officers are employed by the club or their foundation.

Salford have just announced that they are unable to fulfill the fixture on the 30th against Leigh.

Any reason given as why they can't? Lack of players, insurance issues?

The reason given on the official Salford site is "to many players with knocks and niggles brought about by the very small squad we have at present".

The real bad news was what was said by John Wilkinson at the fans forum on Monday.
He said "right now we have Inland Revenue debt to discharge.We ideally.need around £600,000 right now to discharge this".
What I found strange was his comment that the RL at present are in talks with a major investor,but he admits he has not been told the identity of this potential investor.

This evening the Manchester Evening News say the debt to the Revenue is £50.000,with the overall debt being £600.000 which has to be found in the next 6 weeks to clear these debts.

Another disturbing fact in tonights paper is that former Reds player Paul Highton is acting as the link between the boardroom and the players in his role as welfare officer.
He has met with the RFL and has been briefed about what can be put in place should administration occur.

What really starts the alarm bells ringing is the comment in the paper where a Senior spokesman for the RFL again said that the games governing body will offer what practical help they can and confirmed that no Championship Club is on standby to be fast-tracked into the top flight to replace the Reds.

It grows more gloomy by the hour.