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| Quote ="jonh"Yes, i agree, its not like we had one of the best halfbacks in the world in our squad last year..............oh hang on!'"
haha suppose but alot of the quality around him wasn't great. Noble seemed to talk alot of sense last night and said as long as younger players are offering competition to first team they will get their go in a few games and if they show top quality effort and skill in them chances may stay in i.e. as joel did last year.
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| Quote ="wiganstripleL"to the bit in bold absolutly!! had a chat with noble after the forum had some interesting things say about j tomkins/lockers'"
What did he say?
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| Quote ="Pemps"I quite enjoyed it but I missed a couple of questions due to JTB, woody, Hogan, Jukesays and Twosevenzero weting themselves when a guy introduced himself as "Phil McCraken fron Standish". Although I'm sure he said 'Bill'.
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I also enjoyed Nobles "I love young talent" comment. Seriously felt like a school kid again with the giggles when somethings not even that funny but was dying to laugh.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"And yet presumably you approve of him significantly upping the pay of our best youngsters in order to keep them at Wigan?
It's a balancing act and it's about priorities. He also mentioned that he envisaged 'in the medium term' that we are seeking to provide the bulk of our players from out own Academy, with about three world-class players from elsewhere.
He also mentioned that the current situation would change radically in 2010, when five of our current big earners come off contract.'"
I do approve of this yes, but it just seems to me that the balance is slightly wrong and continues to hamper us in the search for real quality. I would rather pay the market value for a world class player than increase the wages of a couple of prospects.
I hope this policy works for us i dearly do, but i think sometimes you have to grasp the nettle when real quality comes on the market.
Regards 2010, i may be wrong but was 2009 not stated at the last forum as the year we could expect us to be in for some big names and the year on which the club should be judged?
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| Quote ="Woody_woody"I also enjoyed Nobles "I love young talent" comment. Seriously felt like a school kid again with the giggles when somethings not even that funny but was dying to laugh.'"
I thought that appetite for young talent had left with Millward
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| 1st weeks of playoffs next year 1v4, 2v3. Not impossible Wigan v Saints. IL suggested that if football club at home that weekend we may have to find a new home for this.
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| fair enough with the roberts one (glad thats cleared up) and i know the shirts done and stuff, but is there a reason why they're keeping it all hidden?
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| Quote ="wiganstripleL" had a chat with noble after the forum had some interesting things say about j tomkins/lockers'"
From in person to the internet in less than 30 mins.
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| Quote ="jonh"I do approve of this yes, but it just seems to me that the balance is slightly wrong and continues to hamper us in the search for real quality. I would rather pay the market value for a world class player than increase the wages of a couple of prospects.
I hope this policy works for us i dearly do, but i think sometimes you have to grasp the nettle when real quality comes on the market.
Regards 2010, i may be wrong but was 2009 not stated at the last forum as the year we could expect us to be in for some big names and the year on which the club should be judged?'"
Indeed, and with the unexpected loss of Barrett, I would have thought there'd be more than 20k floating around... maybe that's why he went back to Aus
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| Quote ="Charlie Seeling"Yes I did.
However, it is Tomkins and sorry but I disagree with Noble's argument and would have spoken up about it. I actually found his comments interesting and would have enjoyed Noble having the full evening to discuss the team.
I disagree because A) The young men are ready because if they are not we must be doing something wrong given youngsters are fine at Castleford, at St Helens, at Leeds etc etc, in the NRL and B) They are not selected on merit. Sam should have been given games from the bench after Whitehaven. Mathers was never selected on merit. Joel Tomkins was hailed as an example but he was not selected because he was ready. He was selecyed because Lockers got injured and Noble had no choice.
You are allowed to think and agree/disagree with coaches etc.
I agree with his comment re wing play. Unfortunately, if the tatics are right in the middle and you make holes up the middle you get stroll in tries out wide E.G N.Z in the World Cup'"
A few things wer e clear from Nobby, and agai simple poitns:
Every young player is different and develops differently.
Noble and the other coaches cover more rugby time with them than you, me or any other on this forum.
Theyy are best placed to make the judgement on the readyness, and also how long they stay there.
Well said Nobby.
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| Quote ="AJ"Really? Seems odd they would pull the plug when the feedback on Pirtek was nearly all positive. Is it not more realistic that IL doesn't want stuff on here he announces it and as such is putting scare stories in place?'"
Exactly, who seriously thinks a company would pull a major sponsorship deal because someone on a fans forum put their name on a made-up shirt.
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| Quote ="Woody_woody"I also enjoyed Nobles "I love young talent" comment. Seriously felt like a school kid again with the giggles when somethings not even that funny but was dying to laugh.'"
Especially when he said he was trying to pull it.
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| Quote ="Pemps"What did he say?'"
some interesting things!!
just asked him what he thought lockers best position was. also could we expect joel to play more at 13 and he said yeh! weather or not that happens is another story.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Exactly, who seriously thinks a company would pull a major sponsorship deal because someone on a fans forum put their name on a made-up shirt.
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| Quote ="Wigan/Leeds Andy"Exactly, who seriously thinks a company would pull a major sponsorship deal because someone on a fans forum put their name on a made-up shirt.
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I'm actually sure no body did put there name on a shirt. The Pirtek logo appeared on a mock-up of this years shirt late last year with the text above it stating that the logo was only on as a mock-up. I'll find the thread.
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| Quote ="MattyB"From in person to the internet in less than 30 mins.
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| Quote ="Pemps"I quite enjoyed it but I missed a couple of questions due to JTB, woody, Hogan, Jukesays and Twosevenzero weting themselves when a guy introduced himself as "Phil McCraken fron Standish". Although I'm sure he said 'Bill'.
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Haha was sat infront of me it was definitely bill but i also laughed childishly. Anyone else get p*ssed off with the mouthy woman too near front?
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Quote ="Pemps"I'm actually sure no body did put there name on a shirt. The Pirtek logo appeared on a mock-up of this years shirt late last year with the text above it stating that the logo was only on as a mock-up. I'll find the thread.'"
Here we are
viewtopic.php? ... 0#13426760
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Here we are
viewtopic.php? ... 0#13426760
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| Quote ="Memony"But wouldn't these 5 big earners be the more senior/bigger name players in the squad. These too will need replacing and if there's no investment in big name players mid table is where we'll be heading. I still can't comprehend the whole cash flow situation at the club, there's something seriously amiss if we can't match the spending power of St Helens!'"
That's the point. Something was amiss and they're working to sort it out.
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| Quote ="wiganstripleL"Quote ="Charlie Seeling"Yes I did.
However, it is Tomkins and sorry but I disagree with Noble's argument and would have spoken up about it. I actually found his comments interesting and would have enjoyed Noble being the full evening to discuss the team.
I disagree because A) The young men are ready because if they are not we must be doing something wrong given youngsters are fine at Castleford, at St Helens, at Leeds etc etc, in the NRL and B) They are not selected on merit. Sam should have been given games from the bench after Whitehaven. Mathers was never selected on merit. Joel Tomkins was hailed as an example but he was not selected because he was ready. He was selecyed because Lockers got injured and Noble had no choice.
You are allowed to think and agree/disagree with coaches etc.[/quote
new it was you.. i was sat next to you at the first fans forum!!!
to the bit in bold absolutly!! had a chat with noble after the forum had some interesting things say about j tomkins/lockers'" '"
I cannot recall sorry. The one at the Deanery?
I actually enjoyed listening to Noble far more than anybody else there. He needs a forum just for playing issues. I just cannot accept him using Joel as an example of planning. Joel did not suffer when he came in under Millward. He even had offloading skills then. In the Alliance pre his Widnes loan, Joel was in awesome form. It was partly interrupted by injury when he broke a bone in his hand defending himself from Matty Smith but he was ignored when he was in great form. He lost motivation. Noble publicly stated that he did not expect Joel to play in 2008 and if Lockers had not been injured he would not have played. The reason he got better and better was that he got a run of games to adjust to the pace of SL.
Will Lee Mossop play in 2009? No. He will go out on loan. Lee was dropped in favour of Tuson in 2008 and the reason, he played too much like a prop in his previous SL game.
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| Quote ="Woody_woody"Yeah, well done spurs
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I fully hope you enjoy the Championship. Feel free to ask for details of any venues
Don't know why people thought any different about the Stadium usage to be honest. DW owns the stadium so he gets to dictate what is what. It's common sense really.
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| Quote ="jonh"I do approve of this yes, but it just seems to me that the balance is slightly wrong and continues to hamper us in the search for real quality. I would rather pay the market value for a world class player than increase the wages of a couple of prospects.
I hope this policy works for us i dearly do, but i think sometimes you have to grasp the nettle when real quality comes on the market.
Regards 2010, i may be wrong but was 2009 not stated at the last forum as the year we could expect us to be in for some big names and the year on which the club should be judged?'"
I think its become clear now if it hasn't been for a while that Lenagan was wrong to make that comment.
I was always expecting 2010 to be the earliest when we could expect to be
challenging Leeds and Saints again as this is when we can really do something with the squad.
I still can't help asking the question though of where's all the money gone for 09? Barrett, Calderwood, Higham and Colbon gone. All gone on Riddell and Roberts?
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| Quote ="cherryandwhitedavid06"Haha was sat infront of me it was definitely bill but i also laughed childishly. Anyone else get p*ssed off with the mouthy woman too near front?'"
She posts on here.
[size=59Yes, I think everyone did[/size
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| I'm not having that excuse about the sponsor pulling the plug becaue they saw the mock-ups on here.
Let's be honest, how many people will have read that thread - a tiny minority compared to the numbers of people/fans who haven't read it.
Personally I think that's a cover up. Why would a business complain about that?
IT IS FREE ADVERTISING FFS!!! Creating more awareness for their business.
God help us.
If the sponsor hasn't been tied up yet, it will be months before we will get new shirts with a sponsors logo (assuming we actually get a sponsor). All KooGa gear is produced in the Far East and the lead times will be at least 8 weeks.
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