I worked it out myself.

Robinson's only played at Wigan so his strike rate was 60.8%
Dallas during his Wigan career was 60.4%

Offiah at Wigan was a staggering 116.8% - although this is currently bettered by Shaun Ainscough lol!

That's amazing really, the circumstances were all right for him, a top class winger in a dominant team. Not many players get that for any length of time.

I think you're being a touch harsh on Phelps and McIlorum there. Both are just kids and Phelps has been shifted around a few positions hasn't he?

I think Phelps as played roughly 75% of the season at FB... agreed?

I'd expect a far better strike rate from a good FB as many quote.

Macca, I'd not expecting huge chance, just a few more if you get my drift.

I'll bow to your greater knowedge, but I thought he'd been shifted round a bit more than that.

Phelps has started 9 at Full Back (64% of appearances), 4 at Centre and 1 on the wing. 4 of his 5 tries came playing at Centre.

Pat Richards has started an even 9 games at Full Back and 9 games on the wing. Whilst playing at Full Back he's scored three. On the Wing he has 12 tries.

Well that's not difficult.

You know me too well

Would that mean that the complaints some of you have, that you don't get it wide enough, are off the mark?

I think the complaint is we never go wide to the right. Our left attack is lethal whether it is Paaaat or Ainscough out there.

What's it go to do with you scouser?

If it was so lethal we would not be where we are in the league. It is for sure the place we go more often though.

Tbh guys that's not enough games to be statistically significant.


e.g. Form of team at the time, teams played against, centre partners, change in tactics etc etc

Our league position is not down to poor attack. We've the 5th best attack and 6th best defence which is a massive improvement on recent seasons. Its simply not being able to hold nerve to win tight games. We lack an experienced leader at 6 and 7.

Surely winning those tight games would be helped by scoring a few extra points. I do agree but it's not exactly lethal.

Ooh, you seem to be a bit tired and emotional.

Well obviously but you need half backs to create, thats their job and our main two (Smith and Leuluai) don't do it enough. Neither have a kicking game which is a must for any half back.

We've a better attack than Hull KR but they are on 23 points we're on 16. Why? Because Michael Dobson runs the show which nicked tight victories for them earlier in the season.

Very true, but on the other hand who runs the Huddersfield games?? Not really their 6 or 7 and look at their league position, people do under-rate the FB position alot, a key player in that position is by far a match winner...

Wellens
Greenshields
Briscoe
Webb

All game winners

Our prefered FB's Richards and Phelps aren't.. Roberts will be once he's back to his top standards!

While true, that's something of an oversimplification.

The games we win, on average, are the high-scoring ones, where we abandon the safety-first, possession, completion, one-up tactics. The games we lose, on average, are the low- scoring defensive battles where we stick to the above tactics.


Games lost: average total score=36

Games won: average total score=52

Personally, I don't mind how many we concede, as long as we score more. I prefer winning 36-28 to losing 12-6.

Oh dear, Dave O's in a mood again because he thinks someone's daring to disagree with his sacrosanct viewpoint.

I can't remember whether I personally called Calderwood crap or not. I may have done in moments of extreme frustration, though I don't recall doing it. The word from the club is that he had a crap attitude, but with hindsight he clearly wasn't used properly on the field. He was a victim of the same flawed system that prevents Roberts showing what he can do.

For what it's worth, something I said in a later post - which you've conveniently chosen to ignore - is that good players seem to become crap when they're at Wigan. That could equally be applied to Calderwood.

You can spare us this CP Wigan-inspired synthetic anger, Dave. No-one on this forum is fooled by it. What's genuinely unbelievable is that I could be bothered replying to what was clearly a kneejerk accusation which I sincerely doubt you'll be able to back up with facts.

Do we play more strongly to the left than the right, or not? And if so, does that go some way to explaining why our left winger scores more tries than our right? Let's have a straightforward answer for once, not a self-justifying sermon presented like some computer flow-chart.

Dave once you make your mind up there is no deviation is there regardless of performance?

Roberts has made so many more breaks than Calderwood did it is unture. Roberts finds spaces, Calderwood finds faces.

I do not think Roberts was a good or sensible signing but he is far superior to Calderwood. On the odd occasion Calderwood was given ball one on one he ran straight to the nearest face on the opposition side.

And just to prove Jonhs point.
[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=2028&hs2=2009&hp2=266&stat=tries&season=2008[/url

Those stats prove that we've really got alot to work with in Roberts. I bet he'd be the first to admit he hasn't been at his best but he's done some very good things and hopefully as he continues to settle we can improve which will really help his game along. The team starting to attack abit more down that right side wouldn't go amiss either.