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says he did there.

Yeah, that's including Challenge Cup too. The Super League site will not show them on their stats page.

roberts can be no where near match fit he hasnt played a game in how many months, but yet everyone wants mathers whos played 3 pre season games to miss out

so what should we save roberts for then? how is he gonna get match fit if we dont play him

Mathers will go at FB this season. He didn't look that bad at Leigh.
What was comical was Tim Smith catching the kick off and looking for Fielden. Now that was funny!
Neither player seemed to know where the other one was or where they were supposed to be. That doesn't make them bad players. That's what trial matches are for!
If that happen v Wakey then it won't be funny!
As for Mathers, he went ok for me but so many were just ok. Can't take the conditions out of it either. It was just so cold!
Tommy was the stand out player and was rightfully named MOM.

As I have said all along Mathers will get his chance...first 10 games or so...

I saw an improvement in him towards the end of last season and I think he deserves a chance. Wigan have invested alot of time and little money into Mathers if we gave up on him now it would be wasted.

Ok he did not score many tries last year but that was not all his fault our attack as a team was woeful at times.

I have never been a fan. For me he is another to add to the lists of "Why on earth did Wigan sign him".

I hope I am wrong.

His defensive play is aweful, looks scared to me. Normally if a fullback is poor defensively, you can excuse it a little if they are good in attack, but 2 tries last year shows how much he offers in attack. He doesn't chime into the line very well and harly ever beats the 1st man.

Shouldnt be in our team as he is a liability, wish we had a few more who were as vocal as him on the pitch, but this isnt enough of an asset to warrant him being picked week in week out.

Please tell me you're joking!

There were thousands of young players producing some outstanding rugby on Sunday.

it takes much longer than your giving him to get back from the injuries he's had!! he was probably about 18 months away from been fully back from his first injury when he did his other knee at the titans, so i think next season or the season after is when mathers will be looking at his very best again.

truley judge him then! as a fan i can understand why that may be unrealistic, but it also shows how desperate or how badley the club was been run at the time when you signed him

Fair enough but i'd rather not use first time matches as a way of building his fitness and getting his form back. Its no good saying "oh look someone else has gone in for a try and ran round Mathers as if he isnt there, but its ok he's had an injury." The point is he shouldnt be playing in the first team.

Exactly, he will get a chance, but if he doesn't take it, it could be the end of his career at Wigan.

when you come back from ligament injuries a player is obviously fit to play the game opposed to it braking down but it takes a year to 18 motnhs(sometimes 2 years) to get full movement forward, back and lateral, balance also takes time as well as confidence and you can only get this playing first grade.

but as a fan i totally see where you coming from but i think mathers has a lot to offer the game.

I've always found Mathers to the kind of player who looks very nervous under a high ball and unlikely to stop an attacking player in a one-on-one break.

Worrying traits for a fullback.

I thought he was a good signing when he first arrived, on a well thought out contract which gave us control over his future. He seems like a decent enough lad with great enthusiasm for the team but IMO he's just not good enough.

Pat should be at FB with Roberts on the wing on Sunday.

Let's just hope he does a complete U-turn in form, as Paaaat did after his first season with us. Although I've seen no evidence of him doing that yet.

To be fair to the lad he seems slightly more confident at the moment compared to last season in some respects (taking the ball on the volley on most occasions instead of letting it bounce all over the place) but then other times he just scares the cr@p out of me (dithering when he's got the ball behind our line).

Proper Wigan word that Robyn

If you can tackle, you tackle. If you have guts, it stands out a mile. He can't tackle, and his lack of guts stand out a mile.

Give him another 5 seasons, and he'll still be gutless.

Stick Richards at FB, we have people to cover the wingers spots just fine.

Not trolling here, but it seems that over the last few seasons a fair number of your recruits in the backs have failed to fulfil their initial promise.

Hard to say. Richards and Carmont have. Trent did.

Must not play for Wigan again until he can dominate Reserve matches consistently for several weeks.

That said, I'd be ecstatic if he went on loan for the season.

How this guy gets on the team sheet week in week out is unreal

He's a dirty no good waste of space

He cant tackle,he cant score and he's got no bottle the only thing he's been consistant with is being ****

And all you guys who say give him time come on and say it cause you cant back that up now

Always was, always always will be crap, you can do far far better than him.

On a lighter note....You're back!!!

Been busy mate not had time to post

Text from the game says that Mathers didn't have a bad game - he was fu£$ing Abysmal!

One good game last season v Leeds, and that's about it I think. Not a full back, not a RL player. Top waterboy though!