Also includes a player breaking his leg.

Ours includes Phil Bentham with a broken leg. Maybe we shouldn't have included that either.

TAKE IT DOWN!!!!! Gone too far there. IL OUT!!!!

I love that. As if you were all doing us a favour, and now suddenly we've let you down.

Give your head a wobble.

Gaining the respect of those who dislike us is not Wigan's responsibility. When we were the best team on Earth and beat Brisbane in Brisbane, we got minimal respect back here.

The fans know which way the club's going. They don't need the opinions of others. And they certainly don't need rival fans telling them what they can and can't hang on the wall in their own clubhouse.

Not quite but detail is important. This should've been spotted and flagged up (pun intended) before being finalised.

Let's put this one to bed. Hohaia was NOT unconscious when the 2nd punch was thrown. You don't move your arms when you're unconscious. He may have been prone but he was not unconscious. It doesn't make the incident any less distasteful but I'm getting sick of these narratives somehow becoming the 'truth'.

And let's not forget the penalty went to Wigan.

I’d of liked to have seen Tomkins knockout try where Rayner clocked him one. Was pretty impressive

I've had my say on it now and it seems to have divided opinion, some Wigan fans agreeing with me and some don't. I even said on this thread that Wigan have done some classy things of late which is what surprised me given the work that Peet is doing on and off the field to improve the culture.

The image itself without the "KLONK" to accompany it wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad as it was an iconic moment in the history of the game, indeed that clip generated more views on You Tube than any other RL one. Also to those celebrating how good his punch was, that's also in poor taste in my opinion, its like a middleweight fighting a heavyweight. We all know Hohaia started it but he is half the size of Flower so any gloating seems a bit weird to me.

I'm no snowflake, I enjoyed the 2004 biff with Sculthorpe and Farrell as much as anyone else, two blokes the same size going for it.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out that two of the posters on Red Vee have received permanent bans for their comments on Newton. The majority of decent Saints fans don't hold the same opinions as those posters so they will be no great loss. There are some decent posters on there (I'd like to think I'm one of them) so I just wanted to point this out.

what is it they say these days? .....time to move on and concentrate on......

Good to hear this last part Stu. RedVee has been an unbridled cesspit for some time and bans should have been handed out years ago. Some of the Terry Newton comments were disgraceful (and possibly actionable under recent social media legislation). Whatever people's opinions in the artwork, that sort of response is totally unacceptable.

Someone should Lobby them about it.

It's a pity that the Saints forum on this site is largely ignored in favour of Redvee as theres no way any rival fan would get away with any sensible debate on there (Wiganers especially). I think rival fans add something to discussions most of the time, hence why I remain on here since 2003 when I joined up. Friendly and 'not so friendly' banter over the years and a few disagreements, from clubs of all teams, although many regular posters 'Home and away' have fallen away. I think Saints fans migrated away from RLfans over five years ago, although some like yourself pop back in now and again.

I've never really ventured onto the Warriors fans forum for similar reasons.

I suppose when the St Helens club frames those comments and puts them on a wall at the training ground you will have a strong point.

Not condoning what the (since rightly banned) morons on redvee said, but talk about whatabouttery and false equivalence.

Great idea, poor taste but each to their own - Wigan obviously are happy with it but I must say I'm not sure why they would be.

The same reason Man Utd and the other clubs that have had these done were happy probably.

It's a cartoon strip meant for a bit of fun to show famous images from the club's history. I doubt they wrote to the Palace fan apologising or indeed the Coventry player who is shown snapping his leg into pieces.

I wonder if Phil Bentham wants an apology for appearing on it with a broken leg

Missing the point. The other displays were fan- led and not officially endorsed by the club. Wigan's official club account tweeted this image and I believe someone officially signed it off. That's a big difference.

The only "Big" difference is that Saints fans are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

You could be on to something there

Surely not!

Strange isn't it. Some on here advocate rival fans coming on to give different opinions and then when said rival fans do come on, their opinions are not even considered.

Myself, TYG and FTV have all expressed our opinions (in the right manner I may add, nothing aggressive, foul-mouthed etc) yet because they differ and don't match some Wigan fans opinions, they are derided.

Shame that. And people wonder why other fans dip in and out of here.

Yourself and FTV are good posters mate. Even the giraffe is getting more reasonable recently

If you disagree with someone else doesnt mean derision has occurred just means they disagree with you in their opinion.
It is still part of our history like it or not maybe in bad taste but still part of Wigans history as are the broken leg etc.
They could have done a pic of Mcginis (spell) hitting Tuson from behind or even LMS trying to finger Hock as you were being destroyed in that game but they didnt.
As we know stains fans would have complained about that and would have thrown Wigans foul plays right back at us.

Personally I think that the cartoon is a great idea but personally I probably wouldn't have included the Flower incident with the narrative but for me it isn't "the end of the world" that it was decided to include it. Not being party to the commissioning of the cartoon it's difficult to conclude the why's and wherefore's to the "sign off" however, I suspect it was commissioned as a cartoon and as such the finished product including the Flower incident complies with the very essence of a cartoon albeit, obviously not to everyone's taste. I suppose a little bit like Viz you either love it or loath it.

By the way I enjoy seeing posts from TYG, FTV and yourself. I've no issue whatsoever with your views or how you present them but it would be very surprising that many on here would agree with you on this particular topic as each side has a reasonable and personal viewpoint on the matter and will react accordingly if their opinion is questioned.

How are they not being considered Stu? I think you're mistaking "being considered" with "agreeing with". You're entitled to the first but not the 2nd. As it goes, in this instance I and others agree that we probably wouldn't have included it. However that doesn't make it the right opinion. The alternative view is completely valid too. It's part of our history for better or worse.

Incidentally, I've been on RedVee and I haven't seen you (or FTV or YG for that matter, all of whom I consider good posters) objecting to posters there saying that Hohaia was "unconscious" and that the punch "ended his career" neither of which is true. How come you're offended by views on here to something that actually happened here but less so by the perpetuation of out and out lies over on your own board?

I've no problem with not being agreed with. But since my initial post on the first page of this thread I've had "how high is your horse" "snowflake", "Saints fans making mountain out of molehills, "crying over nothing" etc so not really the same is it?

Secondly, my user name on Red Vee isn't Stu M so you wouldn't know my posts anyway. And FWIW in my opinion Hohaia was out unconscious when the second punch landed, he wasn't moving and had no way of defending himself, not sure how you can deny that? We don't know if that single punch ended his career do we but it didn't help!

If we are being pedantic also, if you watch the game back Flower makes first contact with Hohaia running back which leads to Hohaia's intial (admittedly) cheap shot