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| Quote ="Guerrier"What, that Wigan had no say in who they appointed as Assistant Coach?
I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.'"
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| Quote ="DaveO"So would be signing a 37 year old ex-RU player with the RFL paying his wages.'"
No, not quite the same Dave. It would only be the same if Wigan had another assistant alongside Harris which they'd chosen, so Harris was a "bonus". Alternatively if the RFL gave us Thomas and said "YOU HAVE TO PLAY HIM EVERY WEEK", then it might be similar.
As it is, even if the RFL offered to pay Harris' wage, and offered him to Wigan, Wigan could quite easily say no. Fact is they didn't. So which is more likely, Wane ok'd the appointment and Harris was the best candidate, or the RFL forced him on Wigan and said he has to be your assistant or else....
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| There's some fantastic conspiracy theories on here!!
It would make a great book / film.
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| Quote ="inside_man"No, not quite the same Dave. It would only be the same if Wigan had another assistant alongside Harris which they'd chosen, so Harris was a "bonus". Alternatively if the RFL gave us Thomas and said "YOU HAVE TO PLAY HIM EVERY WEEK", then it might be similar.
As it is, even if the RFL offered to pay Harris' wage, and offered him to Wigan, Wigan could quite easily say no. Fact is they didn't. So which is more likely, Wane ok'd the appointment and Harris was the best candidate, :2v1ahygkor the RFL forced him on Wigan and said he has to be your assistant or else....[/
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"There's some fantastic conspiracy theories on here!!
It would make a great book / film.'"
The best scriptwriters in the world reside in the pubs of Wigan, I've said it for a long time. Give an innocent and boring story an afternoon in a couple of Wigan's boozers and it'll be the Third Man by the time Granada Reports is on.
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I know certain posters are of the opinion that Harris was forced upon Wane. Well it maybe worth a listen to the piece below, as it comes across to me at least, as though it was Wane who sought out Harris, and it was also Wane's decision to appoint him, not Lenegan's.
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 265634.stm
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I know certain posters are of the opinion that Harris was forced upon Wane. Well it maybe worth a listen to the piece below, as it comes across to me at least, as though it was Wane who sought out Harris, and it was also Wane's decision to appoint him, not Lenegan's.
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 265634.stm
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| Quote ="inside_man"No, not quite the same Dave. It would only be the same if Wigan had another assistant alongside Harris which they'd chosen, so Harris was a "bonus". Alternatively if the RFL gave us Thomas and said "YOU HAVE TO PLAY HIM EVERY WEEK", then it might be similar. '"
What on earth are you on about? If it is ridiculous to suggest Wigan took on Harris because the RFL wanted them to then it is ridiculous that Wigan will take on Thomas for the same reasons but that is what was being assumed re Thomas. It's got nothing to with how often Thomas plays. It's about if Wigan are doing some strange deal with the RFL or not over a Welsh connection and taking on Harris and Thomas for that reason.
Quote As it is, even if the RFL offered to pay Harris' wage, and offered him to Wigan, Wigan could quite easily say no. Fact is they didn't. So which is more likely, Wane ok'd the appointment and Harris was the best candidate, or the RFL forced him on Wigan and said he has to be your assistant or else....'"
They could say no to Thomas as well if that were on the table so what is your point? I guess we will see one way or the other when he gets back from the RU world cup.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"There's some fantastic conspiracy theories on here!!
It would make a great book / film.'"
LOL
Yeah its good to know that paranoia is alive and well and its BEHIND you.
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| Quote ="DaveO"What on earth are you on about? If it is ridiculous to suggest Wigan took on Harris because the RFL wanted them to then it is ridiculous that Wigan will take on Thomas for the same reasons but that is what was being assumed re Thomas. It's got nothing to with how often Thomas plays. It's about if Wigan are doing some strange deal with the RFL or not over a Welsh connection and taking on Harris and Thomas for that reason.
They could say no to Thomas as well if that were on the table so what is your point? I guess we will see one way or the other when he gets back from the RU world cup.'"
But Thomas is a bonus, he isn't integral to the running of the team (like an assistant would be). Thomas would be free, wouldn't count on the cap, and isn't that bad a player. Wigan would get a benefit (aside from the financial) to taking on Thomas. That's not the same situation with Harris.
Its different offering a player to a club who already has 25 players in their squad for free as opposed to forcing a club to have an assistant where they currently have 0.
We HAVE to use Harris (in this scenario), we don't HAVE to use Thomas. Thats why its different.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"There's some fantastic conspiracy theories on here!!
It would make a great book / film.'"
all because someone didn't know the difference between 'send message' and 'submit post'.
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Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Just noticed this interview with Wane on the Wigan site.
www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... &type=news
Some good stuff in it. Particularly about the juniors, and how Shaun wants to keep a big involvement with them personally.'"
I love accents and it sounds great to hear a broad Wigan one!
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Quote ="LovesToSpooge"Just noticed this interview with Wane on the Wigan site.
www.wiganwarriors.com/WContent.a ... &type=news
Some good stuff in it. Particularly about the juniors, and how Shaun wants to keep a big involvement with them personally.'"
I love accents and it sounds great to hear a broad Wigan one!
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| Good luck to Wane,served his apprentrsgip and deserves his chance but so did Agar who worked under Kear and Sharp( we Won the cup with Kear and went to a GF with Sharp) and we have had 4 yrs of dross with him in charge and took the club backwards at a alarmingg rate...2 bottom 3 finishes,6th and 8th in his tenure as well has having 3 assistants as well......NO2's dont always make great coaches.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Good luck to Wane,served his apprentrsgip and deserves his chance but so did Agar who worked under Kear and Sharp( we Won the cup with Kear and went to a GF with Sharp) and we have had 4 yrs of dross with him in charge and took the club backwards at a alarmingg rate...2 bottom 3 finishes,6th and 8th in his tenure as well has having 3 assistants as well......NO2's dont always make great coaches.'"
True but almost every coach was a number 2 at some point.
Wane to Maguire - Maguire to Bellamy - Bellamy to Wayne Bennett
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| Quote ="dany1979"True but almost every coach was a number 2 at some point.'"
I agree mate and some take to it naturally....just saying that we got a total numpty.Mind you,our new coach is a no2 as well so we are still in same boat.
As a outsider looking in,i think you have squad trouble as well...You never replaced Gleeson,Tomkins isnt a centre and looks to be off....Charnley is still unproven and needs a good centre with him.Deacon too old and Leuluai best position is hooker imo so that leves you needing a 6 0r 7 to go with Finch and another Hooker as i dont rate Mcliorum...you struggle when he is on.Your pack looks ok but Hock out for the 1st 3 weeks?
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| Quote ="fc baldy"I agree mate and some take to it naturally....just saying that we got a total numpty.Mind you,our new coach is a no2 as well so we are still in same boat.
As a outsider looking in,i think you have squad trouble as well...You never replaced Gleeson,Tomkins isnt a centre and looks to be off....Charnley is still unproven and needs a good centre with him.Deacon too old and Leuluai best position is hooker imo so that leves you needing a 6 0r 7 to go with Finch and another Hooker as i dont rate Mcliorum...you struggle when he is on.Your pack looks ok but Hock out for the [u1st 3 weeks[/u?'"
Haven't you learned yet? It's the last 3 weeks that matter, nothing else.
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| Quote ="jinkin jimmy"Haven't you learned yet? It's the last 3 weeks that matter, nothing else.
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Mate the last 3 weeks didnt come at all twice with Agar ane we didnt get into week 2 the other 2 times....Compare that to Kear and sharpe and we did pretty well in the play-offs and even got to GF in 2006
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Mate the last 3 weeks didnt come at all twice with Agar ane we didnt get into week 2 the other 2 times....Compare that to Kear and sharpe and we did pretty well in the play-offs and even got to GF in 2006'"
Point taken!
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Good luck to Wane,served his apprentrsgip and deserves his chance but so did Agar who worked under Kear and Sharp( we Won the cup with Kear and went to a GF with Sharp) and we have had 4 yrs of dross with him in charge and took the club backwards at a alarmingg rate...2 bottom 3 finishes,6th and 8th in his tenure as well has having 3 assistants as well......NO2's dont always make great coaches.'"
Agar is just a freak exception to the rule imo. There cant be that many people around who could do so sh*t imo.
I expect Hull to improve dramatically next season just by getting rid of him
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| Quote ="inside_man"No, not quite the same Dave. It would only be the same if Wigan had another assistant alongside Harris which they'd chosen, so Harris was a "bonus". Alternatively if the RFL gave us Thomas and said "YOU HAVE TO PLAY HIM EVERY WEEK", then it might be similar.
As it is, even if the RFL offered to pay Harris' wage, and offered him to Wigan, Wigan could quite easily say no. Fact is they didn't. So which is more likely, Wane ok'd the appointment and Harris was the best candidate, or the RFL forced him on Wigan and said he has to be your assistant or else....'"
what would possibly be the or else....??
I dont understand Why people dont want a former Top quality player a former Superleague Coach and current International coach as an Assistant...its quite ridiculous.....
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"what would possibly be the or else....??
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| I hope Wane does a god job. I don't think you should give him a break just because of who he is - but he deserves a bit of patience given the likely changes in your squad from this year to next. If you lose Tomkins and Hoffman and Deaccon, you've lost a strike player and two very experienced pros. Not easy to replace at all - not impossible but it'll take time.
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| I dont have a problem with Harris, I would have prefered Lammie but i think Harris did a decent job under difficult conditions at Crusaders. Ithink Wane will do a good job but all we can do is give them both a chance and see what happens.
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| Quote ="the flying biscuit"what would possibly be the or else....??
I dont understand Why people dont want a former Top quality player a former Superleague Coach and current International coach as an Assistant...its quite ridiculous.....'"
Since when has being a former top quality player been a guarantee of being a top coach? Never.
Ditto being an ex SL coach. Do you want Agar or Millward here?
As to being an International coach, he is coach of Wales FFS.
The only thing that is ridiculous is the suggestion that Harris CV is as impressive as you make out. Talk about over stating the case
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| Quote ="DaveO"Since when has being a former top quality player been a guarantee of being a top coach? Never.
Ditto being an ex SL coach. Do you want Agar or Millward here?
As to being an International coach, he is coach of Wales FFS.
The only thing that is ridiculous is the suggestion that Harris CV is as impressive as you make out. Talk about over stating the case
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I didnt mention anywhere that Harris Would be a guaranteed success... I just said the criticism of Harris was "ridiculous". do you not think it is considering his experience in the game of Rugby and still only 35 years of age....?
I'm sure you agreed with the Leeds fans When Brian Mac was signed .they probably all said the Same
"Since when has being a former top quality player been a guarantee of being a top coach? Never."
"As to being a former Superleague coach, he was coach of Quinns FFS."
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