What are you talking about you buffoon? Crawl back into your box.

Agree about Tierney. Did a great job filling in at the back end of 2016, but always got the impression that he was playing above himself.

Always tricky for a club who produces as many as we do to decide which players are worth persevering and those which aren't. Still have arguments with my dad about whether we made a mistake letting Kev Brown go when we did.

Anyway, without wanting to go overboard on Marshall, fair to say that he's one of those 4 out of 5 star players where you need to make a judgement about how he's likely to progress. Personally, I think he's already an above average SL winger, but in terms of potential he's got it in him to be a very good player, albeit probably not a very well rounded one.

Marshall seems like a great lad, Wigan product. But when I watch is game I see errors which are part of a learning curve (knock ons/positional play) but I also see issues which I think will stay will him due to physicality, under the high ball and defence were he'll be a liability. It's a shame, but overall I don't see him as a long term 'Wigan standard' player. Like Tierney he may have a future in SL, but not with Wigan. His pace is eye catching, but his overall game just isn't there.

In opposition we have some big wingers who are impressive in both attack and defence, both Manfredi and Burgess are especially safe in attack and D, with Davies always improving and becoming a great talent, good all-rounder.

I feel like people just assume his defence isn't good enough just because of his size.

I've not seen anything this year to suggest his defence is worse than either Davies or Burgess. I've seen both of them drop high balls (Davies at Warrington especially), and Burgess' defence hasn't been great to be honest, even if Gildart was at fault for some of the defensive decisions.

Just as an aside, I know we cant determine everything with stats, but they do give some guidance.

Marshall: 5 tries, 2 assists, 17 tackles, 2 missed tackles, 31 carries, average gain 10.32 metres, 6 clean breaks, 5 errors.
Burgess: 4 tries, 0 assists, 15 tackles, 6 missed tackles, 23 carries, average gain 8.43 metres, 4 clean breaks, 4 errors.
Davies: 3 tries, 0 assists, 11 tackles, 2 missed tackles, 87 carries, average gain 8.69 metres, 7 clean breaks, 5 errors.

To me it seems that Davies gets through more work coming from our line than either Marshall or Burgess. But missed tackles Burgess is the worst so far. And errors they are all quite even; Davies has played more games, than the other two, but I guarantee that our left side sees more ball than the right, and to be honest our left side also probably is targeted more defensively (especially when Marshall is playing).

Take from that what you will, but for me this year his defence has been fine, and his attack was great, I'd have him over Burgess at the moment who just doesn't seem as fit, or as quick as Marshall. In addition to the fact that he's missed more tackles, and made only 1 less error so far, having played fewer games in the process.

Marshall’s a very good superleague winger. Whether that says more about superleague then it does about him I’m not sure. He’s lightning fast, works hard, has a great change of pace and some good ball skills. His defence needs a bit of work but he’s not on his own in that regard. He’s been put under the microscope for dropping a few high balls this year but that’s an issue for all our wingers.

By ‘superleague standards’ we have 3 very good wingers currently available to us and 1 who is potentially the best of the lot to come back from injury (tough to judge how good Manfredi will be given his lengthy absence).

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I think they may have held some room back from the off season. Charnley himself has said he turned them down in November to see if things changed at Sale but he changed his mind when they recently came back in for him. He said he played his last game of Union five weeks ago and it was by far his best performance yet he was then dropped and hasn’t had a game since.

Agree with this I think a lot of his errors can be coached and he will learn. His main attributes of speed and the seemingly natural ability to get the ball over the line cannot. If he is good for 25+ trys a year letting in the odd one it's not so bad on the grand scheme of things. Also when a winger makes a mistake it can mean not scoring or letting one in two things that stick in the mind, when it's mot necessarily representative if how they have played over the 80mins.

I don't watch them week in week out so hard to judge them but both are good wingers it's down to applying themselves and taking the opportunity presented to them.from what I've seen Marshall is the one I would take but he has done well against us lol

Think it's good to have charnley back in super league certainly adds to the quality of our backs and adds a threat from deep something we've not had in some time,

I like Marshall; I like him a lot. When I go to a game, he's the guy I hope to have me on the edge of my seat, more than ST or anyone else. But I'm sure he's aware, as we all are, that defence is the issue that can stop him from becoming a top SL winger. His size is obviously a limiting factor, but it seems to me it's a question of whether he can improve *enough* to be a Wigan winger, or otherwise find a home elsewhere in SL.

Anyone else like to have a Charnley bet for Joining Jack

From the moment Josh makes his debut. I will go £20 for Josh to score more than Joe Burgess. Anyone fancy £20 on the opposite.

I’m struggling to see how Josh Charnley will score many tries this season unless he’s good at picking off high kicks from Brown and Roberts. Especially as he won’t play for a few weeks yet anyway. Hopefully by next season we’ll see the player that scored 148 tries in 152 games, or at least some of that player.

Josh has obviously put himself first and good on him. He’s gone there ‘to win trophies’ so he’s timed it well because I hear it’s their year!

I think stats are great most of the time but i like the carrys frm davies, marshall and budg have made alot of yards in open field running. So i 60 yard clear run to the line alters the stats.

I agree. I worry when people read stats and go off nothing else. Anybody who's watched the game for any number of games can see there's far more which goes into it. Positional play, what consists of a missed tackle or even tackle, what moments or errors effect the game, the momentum etc. How a centre can effect a wingers stats for example. Stats are merely a very short snapshot of what a player does.

PS This isn't just about Marshall. Stats in general.

Agree totally.

Agree with the point re stats..they have their place but are not the be all.

Time to pay up I believe.

Well found. I tried to look for this the other day. If Rogues is happy to pay, I will double it

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Quote ="RichieS"Well found. I tried to look for this the other day. If Rogues is happy to pay, I will double it '" I did mean in Superleague but I didn't stipulate it so will gladly make that donation particularly in view of the horrific treatment of the family by Jet 2. https://news.sky.com/story/boy-10-asked ... t-11459188

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I did mean in Superleague but I didn't stipulate it so will gladly make that donation particularly in view of the horrific treatment of the family by Jet 2. https://news.sky.com/story/boy-10-asked ... t-11459188'" Yeah I caught that...horrendous! I'll get it done by end of the day

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Done

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I did mean in Superleague but I didn't stipulate it so will gladly make that donation particularly in view of the horrific treatment of the family by Jet 2. https://news.sky.com/story/boy-10-asked ... t-11459188'" Fair play to you Rogues and Richie S.

Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I did mean in Superleague but I didn't stipulate it so will gladly make that donation particularly in view of the horrific treatment of the family by Jet 2. https://news.sky.com/story/boy-10-asked ... t-11459188'" Fair play to you Rogues and Richie S.

Also done. Thanks buddy!

No problem at all.

Pleasant topic.
We'll done fellas.