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| Smith has loads of potential but he’s not ready to be our first choice half back. I fear he’ll get the job and that Hastings won’t be replaced next year which I find very concerning.
Tommy is our captain and still leads us around the park. I can’t see him being dropped.
Powell is just awful when we have possession. Always has been. He was absolutely educated last night by a proper 9 and I too would be happy to see him replaced. O’Neill already looks to offer more speed and accuracy from the play the ball and isn’t scared to run it.
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| Quote ="apollosghost"Lam has completely wasted a year of Smith's development by not playing him alongside Hastings'"
I agree with you but it may be that he will never make the step up,the ridiculous expectation heaped on him has done far more harm than good for my money,his game is basic at best and he’s not doing that well either,any other coach would take him out of the firing line e yet Lam carries on it madness.
The player we hope he could be can still emerge I’m sure but I do think it’s time to lower expectations of him if nothing else for the lads sake,sport is littered with the “next big thing”let’s hope Smith doesn’t join that club
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"Is it surprising that Smith is not doing well at the moment when we have a pack not dominating the forward battle and Leulaui not performing as he should do.?
Leulaui "having" to play is as far as I am concerned is the reason why Hastings has been playing full back and Smith not playing well for the reasons I have stated.
You have hit the nail on the head with what you have said about who should pay where!'"
For once Ruddy we are in complete agreement
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| Harry Smith is a great talent, he’s got a bit of tough about him. Like a Nathan Wood or Goulding. Not saying his up there yet but he’s gritty.
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| I feel like we need to stick with Smith through this rough patch. I can absolutely see him going elsewhere and making us regret it if we drop him. Kind of like Kevin Brown to an extent. More to the point it's probably too late to plan for anything other than him starting at 7 next year.
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| an out of form Smith is still better than an in for Tommy...
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| I would take goal kicking responsibilities off Harry because in my opinion this is his main cause of lack of confidence. Do that you'll probably see a better player. Let Hastings have a go at kicking goals.
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| Next season, St Helens intend to play young academy signing Dodds at Scrum Half and like the present Farges, no doubt will play well behind a good and consistent pack, especially in the Front Row which has not been the case for Smith at Wigan!
It might explain the drop in form of Smith, especially with being given the kicking duties as well!
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| Quote ="nidger"I would take goal kicking responsibilities off Harry because in my opinion this is his main cause of lack of confidence. Do that you'll probably see a better player. Let Hastings have a go at kicking goals.'"
I’m not sure it is playing a part because he’s not been at his best all season. The front row and the coach are the biggest factors IMO.
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| Quote ="Ruddy Duck"Next season, St Helens intend to play young academy signing Dodds at Scrum Half and like the present Farges, no doubt will play well behind a good and consistent pack, especially in the Front Row which has not been the case for Smith at Wigan!
It might explain the drop in form of Smith, especially with being given the kicking duties as well!'"
Has there been a drop in form?
My original post wasn’t based on the Wire game, it is based on what he has contributed so far.
I just don’t see much to get excited about.
He has had a few cameo moments however generally the issues always seem to crop up.
Passing accuracy poor, failure to take on the line, poor defence and repeatedly kicking out on the full mainly due to his poor positioning on the last play putting himself under pressure.
The one unknown for next season may in my opinion be the making of him in that Hastings won’t be here.
At the moment both our halves are clearly link men for Hastings. Nothing more.
Having a less dominant partner may mean Smith can take on more responsibility and become the player so many predicted he could be.
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| Quote ="jonh"Has there been a drop in form?
My original post wasn’t based on the Wire game, it is based on what he has contributed so far.
I just don’t see much to get excited about.
He has had a few cameo moments however generally the issues always seem to crop up.
Passing accuracy poor, failure to take on the line, poor defence and repeatedly kicking out on the full mainly due to his poor positioning on the last play putting himself under pressure.
The one unknown for next season may in my opinion be the making of him in that Hastings won’t be here.
At the moment both our halves are clearly link men for Hastings. Nothing more.
Having a less dominant partner may mean Smith can take on more responsibility and become the player so many predicted he could be.'"
That's an interesting take on it. I'd been thinking along the lines of needing an experienced dominant half to take the pressure off him, but I can see your way of looking at it actually, that he might do better with more control.
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| Quote ="jonh"Can someone tell me what he brings to the team?
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Great kicks
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Takes the line on well
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Obviously terrible opposition today but he’s got the skills and needs to do it on a more consistent basis.
Stick with him.
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| He was excellent today, hope he can keep up his kicking form too
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| Great performance today from Harry Smith . I know it was only Leigh , but even so , that should give the lad lots of confidence going forward .
Great to see him break the line on several occasions , some deft touches with the boot , and his goal kicking was the best I’ve seen from a Wigan player in a very long time
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| Quote ="NSW"Great kicks
Great support play
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Obviously terrible opposition today but he’s got the skills and needs to do it on a more consistent basis.
Stick with him.'"
He showed today what he can bring in a dominant side. It’s very very rare where he’s played in a team that has been rolling forward and that has given him that much space and time to work with. He’ll actually learn more and improve more from the tough games he’s had, where we’ve been on the back foot and he’s been pressed in to errors but he needed that today to build his confidence. He was just too good for them and if we can get him a good front row to play on the back of in the bigger games next season, I think we can see more of that against better opposition. He needs patience and fans backing.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"He showed today what he can bring in a dominant side. It’s very very rare where he’s played in a team that has been rolling forward and that has given him that much space and time to work with. He’ll actually learn more and improve more from the tough games he’s had, where we’ve been on the back foot and he’s been pressed in to errors but he needed that today to build his confidence. He was just too good for them and if we can get him a good front row to play on the back of in the bigger games next season, I think we can see more of that against better opposition. He needs patience and fans backing.'"
Will be interesting to see who the half’s will be against Salford, I can’t see
Tommy playing he was heavily strapped up before the injury forced him off
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| Quote ="stpatricks"Will be interesting to see who the half’s will be against Salford, I can’t see
Tommy playing he was heavily strapped up before the injury forced him off'"
It will depend if we get anyone back from injury but presuming not he’ll go Shorrocks or Powell with Smith. He’s not moving Hastings until Hardaker or possibly Field come back. We’ve got good cover for Powell and Shorrocks, so either will be able to do the full game.
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| Today started with Leuluai taking the line on and scoring (which he never does) followed by him going off and then Smith doing everything we want him to do. The team looked more dynamic without Leuluai and even though the opposition were garbage, we still had to time our plays and get the ball over the line. Glad for Hanley to get three tries even though I felt Halsall had a much stronger game in the other wing. He’s got the size to cope with the carries which Hanley still struggles with. We’ve been critical of the team for a good while but today was nice to enjoy some good plays and a dominant performance as it seems so long since we saw one.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"It will depend if we get anyone back from injury but presuming not he’ll go Shorrocks or Powell with Smith. He’s not moving Hastings until Hardaker or possibly Field come back. We’ve got good cover for Powell and Shorrocks, so either will be able to do the full game.'"
both hardaker and marshy said they would be back next week, also gilly, manfredi and field should be also
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| Quote ="Pieman"both hardaker and marshy said they would be back next week, also gilly, manfredi and field should be also'"
If that’s for Friday then happy days. It would be good if they could ease them in over a couple of games. We’ve all been frustrated with this season so far but all is not lost and if we can get our best 17 on the field and find some momentum, stranger things have happened than us having a good end to the season. Lammy really needs to drive competition though and be ruthless and it’s not something I have any confidence in him doing.
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| Quote ="NickyKiss"If that’s for Friday then happy days. It would be good if they could ease them in over a couple of games. We’ve all been frustrated with this season so far but all is not lost and if we can get our best 17 on the field and find some momentum, stranger things have happened than us having a good end to the season. Lammy really needs to drive competition though and be ruthless and it’s not something I have any confidence in him doing.'"
Same. He’s more likely to play Field on the wing than in the halves
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| I can't understand why you're judging, and praising your players against a very very poor Leigh side but, you are very quick to criticize them when you are playing the big boys.
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| Quote ="Cokey"I can't understand why you're judging, and praising your players against a very very poor Leigh side but, you are very quick to criticize them when you are playing the big boys.'"
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| Hopefully Field will be back soon. We need to see if Smith and Field can gel in the halves or if we need to bring in an experienced half for next season.
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| Quote ="Pieman"......ok'"
Ok what?
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