How I hark back to the days of the simple finger point.

Doesn't matter what they are called to me. They have brought back something we have been missing for a while. Atmosphere!!!!

As soon as I saw the shot on sky of all the kids with those scarves and the one with his face covered I just knew there would be a thread about it

, Getting a bit tedious now but I guess I'd rather see people moaning about teenagers with ultra scarves than the team being crap. Don't agree with the face being covered by scarf thing but they aren't hurting anyone... yet...

and the atmosphere sounded great on the tv.

This.... Spot on...

Nail on the head.

However, I will have a moan. I'm all for generating more atmosphere, but I don't see the point of someone labelling themselves as a Brigante or Ultra or whatever. Surely we can just generate atmosphere as Wiganers. It's as if they think they are some set of super fans, and has an elitist feel to it. I just don't get it, sorry.

Them ultras scarves did look shìt though. I was abit embarrassed for them when I watched it back on tv.

As mentioned on previous threads, I don't want to be apart of any supporters group but just want to be amongst atmosphere and considering the Brigantes/Ultras are the most vocal bunch, I will sit/stand on the outskirts of their group to be amongst the good atmosphere that they mostly create. Last night was great and it's totally irrelevant what scarf they have, each to their own.

But again, I just don't understand the segregation. Why go in the far wings and why run down to the bottom of the stand which will obviously alert stewards that then leads to visable prevention tactics such as more stewarding with the chief steward filming the group. It just creates negative attention but then again, despite defensive posts by members on here, I think it's what a lot of them want which is a shame because the concept with the right morals is brilliant for Wigan supporters.

I'm pretty sure everybody loves the atmosphere and the effort, but you're right, it does have an elitist (as well as divisive) feel to it.

wondered when it would turn up.......can we give the Brigantes/Ultras their own forum to stop the rest of us getting bored every week

They have got their own forum! They are already bored with rlfans! Its the rest of you who are obsessed with keep raising topics on rlfans and then spend the rest of the 17 pages complaining that the thread was raised in the first place!

The people that are complaining about the thread are the people that are saying they are bored. If you dont like a thread its quite simple, simply dont post at all on it and instead post on the threads that do not bore you, there are plenty to choose from. Its not exactly rocket science.

Thought it looked a bit daft myself - 20 kids at the front waving scarves and bouncing while the rest - who looked like you supported a different team due to seperation between groups - sat there clapping politely.

Cracking noise though but you need to get another song , that one gets tedious after 60 mins

One question I do have is, why do the scarves say 'ultras' on them?! If you are there supporting Wigan, then get a scarf that says Wigan. I was proper cringing last night when I saw it on TV with people jumping around with scarves as if to say, "Look how cool we are!!! I'm an ultra!! Yey!"

It did make it a lot easier to play 'spot the chav.'

Why didn't the group initially come up with a name/brand that ties in with the concept of the 18th man? The 18ers (or something less crap than that)? That way there wouldn't be this fissure between fans on the one hand and ultras on the other.

To be fair Daz it wasnt 20, more like 45-50 and not all 'kids' as you put it...

im sure you agree it made a great atmosphere in a stadium which has only had a decent atmosphere this year when sheff utd and sheff wed have came to play town...

ive seen a better atmosphere in Deighton WMC than i saw in the kilner bank stand tonight mate

Not these days you aint

Anyone else get a PM about the Brigantes? Seems like you cant have an opinion on them unless its positive or offer any constructive criticism on how they can become more inclusive and get the support of all Wigan fans. Nice.

Largely irrelevant what they called themselves or if they gave themselves a name at all. There'll always be someone to complain about them and what they do. Rugby fans, and it's not unique to Wigan, are the biggest moaners around. Like someone else said earlier, if this is the only thing we've got to moan about then things must be going well on the playing side.

Just to add to the scarf debate .. My new scarf says CHERRY AND WHITE ARMY on one side and BRIGANTES on the other.. I'm not a fan of the name Ultra's as that makes me think football hooligan. But I do like the idea they have at creating an atmosphere during a game. I do not want to sit at a game in silence. I could do that at home

Great atmosphere last night, and my Brigantes is the red and white bar with the quality badge on, lots of people like that badge, can any more of them be manufactured.

Speaking honestly, it's this sort of dismissive and insulting attitude that I find to be a problem. I could expand on the initial reason I gave as to why the name isn't "irrelevant" (referring to reasoning given by the Brigantes themselves as well as my own reasoning) but you give the impression that you aren't up for the discussion. In fact, most discussions relating to the Brigantes--even ones conducted tactfully and couched in positive comments--are responded to as though they are off-limits. I said in my response to the PM I received that if some fans are feeling alienated by what they describe as elitist and divisive attitudes or practices then this should be addressed properly. Those reservations shouldn't just be dismissed or shouted down; that only exacerbates feelings of dissonance between what is essentially one set of fans--Wigan fans--who should really feel a sense of solidarity and community between themselves, rather than antagonism.

You got one too then. I couldnt agree more with what you have said.

Under18ers would be more apt.

Or, the Fantas. They'll not manage to get served owt stronger for a few years...

Pointless asking questions on here.
They apparently have a rule not to post on here.

Before I recieve my usual snotty, almost offensive and abusive PM, I'm NOT slagging on that opening 2 sentences.
Just informing the masses who have questions.