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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"This all started from a rumour about Wigan Athletic moving to St. Helens NOT Wigan RLFC.'"
Might work - Scousers like soccer, generally.
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"Wilkin over Hansen, you must be joking.'"
Why?
Wilkin makes more tackles, misses less of them, carries the ball more, scores more tries, creates more tries, offloads more, busts more tackles, makes more clean breaks. He gives away more penalties though.
Don't judge Wilkin on him being a poor half back, he's an excellent back rower.
As for your merged team not having Eastmond in it . . . . . .
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"
As for your merged team not having Eastmond in it . . . . . .'"
Coz in 2012 he'll be in union won't he?
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| You can tell from this thread that Saints and Wigan have got a free weekend off.
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| Quote ="inside_man"Coz in 2012 he'll be in union won't he?
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Touche!
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| Quote ="inside_man"Coz in 2012 he'll be in union won't he?
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I wanted to throw that one at him
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| Graham will be in Oz by 2012 as well won't he
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"Why?
Wilkin makes more tackles, misses less of them, carries the ball more, scores more tries, creates more tries, offloads more, busts more tackles, makes more clean breaks. He gives away more penalties though.
Don't judge Wilkin on him being a poor half back, he's an excellent back rower.
As for your merged team not having Eastmond in it . . . . . .'"
Hansen to me always looks far more effective. He was the top tackler in the league a couple of years ago.
Wilkin has had alot more gametime than Hansen this season, I would put that down as a reason for worse statistics this year. I am shocked at the missed tackles though
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"This all started from a rumour about Wigan Athletic moving to St. Helens NOT Wigan RLFC.'"
thats not what the origial post suggests. why would Whelan "up the rent" for the team he wants to keep there, which he funds himself?
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| Quote ="Odemwingie"Hansen to me always looks far more effective. He was the top tackler in the league a couple of years ago.
Wilkin has had alot more gametime than Hansen this season, I would put that down as a reason for worse statistics this year. I am shocked at the missed tackles though
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I would take wilkin over hansen every day of the week.
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| wilkin has a good kicking game too, from games i've seen. a bit more dirty than hansen who i feel is a more "honest rugby" kind of player - apart from when he's wading in on mason et al - but overall wilkin is a top player although i feel he's dropped from his recent high in form from last year and before this season. but still a bloody good player.
wilkin seems to get himself in on the act a bit more in attack and finishes tries well.
but for me HH has been awesome for wigan every since i've been watching them and this year has surely got to be probably his best form in a wigan shirt, its just been a shame about the injuries. i certainly hope the rumour about him leaving isn't true either!
both top players. i'd still have HH over wilkin though.
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| Quote ="the mighty wigan town!!!"thats not what the origial post suggests. why would Whelan "up the rent" for the team he wants to keep there, which he funds himself?'"
It came from the Cockney Latic site and some Saints fan picked up on it,adding 2 + 2 = 5.
Nothing new for Saints fans btw.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"It came from the Cockney Latic site and some Saints fan picked up on it,adding 2 + 2 = 5.
Nothing new for Saints fans btw.
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even so, it still doesn't make sense if they are on about the tics. why would whelan want his own team out of the stadium?
anyway who cares, it ain't happening
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| Quote ="the mighty wigan town!!!"even so, it still doesn't make sense if they are on about the tics. why would whelan want his own team out of the stadium?
anyway who cares, it ain't happening
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It's not Whelan, it's the fans themselves on cockneylatic
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| I ain't got a clue if DW is putting the rent up or if wigan are looking to get out of playing there but what i do know is that saints and wigan will never ever share a stadium.
How does it work with wigan renting the DW stadium ?
Do you make money from the sales at stadium(food & drink) or does DW get the money from it?
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| Quote ="St pete"I ain't got a clue if DW is putting the rent up or if wigan are looking to get out of playing there but what i do know is that saints and wigan will never ever share a stadium.
How does it work with wigan renting the DW stadium ?
Do you make money from the sales at stadium(food & drink) or does DW get the money from it?'"
Corporate hospitality goes to Wigan, food and drink on the concourses to Whelan. Rent is 10% of gate money, but we don't pay for stadium maintenance.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Corporate hospitality goes to Wigan, food and drink on the concourses to Whelan. Rent is 10% of gate money, but we don't pay for stadium maintenance.'"
So would you be better off in your own stadium or renting ?
Is DW happy for wigan rugby to play at DW stadium or would he rather lose his 10% and have it just for his football team?
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| Quote ="St pete"So would you be better off in your own stadium or renting ?
Is DW happy for wigan rugby to play at DW stadium or would he rather lose his 10% and have it just for his football team?'"
That's difficult because I don't know the running costs.
The lease is for 50 years so Whelan can't just throw Wigan Rugby out. One of the provisos for the stadium being built was that it was for multi use (Wigan Council own a percentage)
If Whelan/ Wigan Athletic wanted too buy out the lease then it would cost a lot of money and I presume they would have to find land to fund and build a ground. It makes no sense to anyone with a modicum of business sense to have two stadia. If Wigan Athletic get relegated how would the DW stadium be funded.
If a buyer can't be found for Liverpool who would buy Wigan?
Still more questions than answers I'm afraid.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"If a buyer can't be found for Liverpool who would buy Wigan?'"
Someone with a bit of humour.
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| Could whelan try to negotiate a change to the 10% of gates? sure he could if he compensates wiganrl. Thats the difference between a rolling monthly contract and a 50 year contract, whelan has no control over wiganrl at all
Could he simply kick us out? no unless wigan agree to leave with suitable compensation
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| I'm sure that at the first fans forum IL was asked if he would be looking for a single use stadium for Wigan RLFC.
His answer was that it is simply not financially viable for us.
With the contract he'd negotiated with DW this made it especially the case as IL did feel it was a very good deal commercially.
With a 60 week or so build for Saints new place they'd better get a move on or they won't be in it themselves for the start of 2012 never mind sharing with another club.
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| Worst rumour (and thread) ever.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"With a 60 week or so build for Saints new place they'd better get a move on or they won't be in it themselves for the start of 2012 never mind sharing with another club.'"
dont know why I am bothering, but:
1) work has already started
2) who said it was a 60 week build time?
3) if it was, 60 weeks from now would be the end of October 2011. It is approximately 70 weeks till the start of the 2012 season.
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| Quote ="FearTheVee". . . or sell the land.
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Hard for him to do that when he doesn't own it
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