I could not possibly comment further!!

I never understand a jobs for the boys mentality. I have seen it in the places i have worked, and it has never ever been a success.

Now there is a difference in bringing good people with you, which happens in my field, but in a job where results count so much as they do in sports, why wouldnt you surround yourself with the people who can make you look good?

The old saying applies "a chain is only as strong as its weakest link", You can be a great coach technically and tactically spot on but if you make a poor judgement call on your support staff and recruit poorly all that ability could amount to nothing.

I would hope that with his already knowledge in the conditioning field that Maguire will bring in a real specialist, there is no point in him recruiting someone with a similar depth of knowledge to him, i would not be surprised to see him bring someone from a non rugby league background for this very reason, ie his own level of knowledge in this field.

The only problem with that though Jonh is if this conditioner is Antipodean how would he get a work permit / visa?

There did not seem to be a problem last year when Nathan Brown brought over a reserve team conditioner with him to head up the Huddersfield club with him.

I agree with what you've been saying jon, sports conditioning is so much more now than just getting people fit with them lifting weights and running distances there's a whole science behind it.

No disrespect to Forshaw and true I don't know his qualifications but it takes so much more than a former player pulling on the trainers vest and dictating what exercises are done to get players to there peak physical best.

The good thing for us is that McGuire's background is in this area, so this should be an aspect of the game that he realizes the importance of. If I were a betting man I like jon would imagine he'll bring someone over with him that he has previous experience with and has the utmost confidence in.

What drunken rantings were these?

isn't he a fitness coach, would be perfect to bring him back

We're not going through this again, are we, with you demanding proof all the time?

It occurred sometime during the last Four Nations, and was all over this forum for several days. Go and look for it.

Cant the coach be a fitness coach or the assistant ? It sounds like some coaches make up roles for their mates, that may be the problem.

And i fall on the side of Ian Leneghan, a Wigan fan as Wigan RL chairman. Everything i have heard him say seems to be exactly how he sees it no lies or beating about the bush. If he hadnt said what he feels he saw no one else would have.

He's clearly struggling to kick on from the pinnacle of his coaching career playing T&P with the Riversiders...

We have a squad of 25 and two or three are unfit.
That is the responsibility of the head coach and he appoints fitness coaches to take care of it.
However, the players themselves have to accept the main responsibility. If 22 out of 25 can get themselves fit and stay at that level then the others should do likewise.
Perhaps this is the season those unfit players will have to shape up or ship out!

Fitness is down to Mike Forshaw, he has to go, I have been saying it on here for so long, LTS should put it in his sig!

I know what you mean, but I think this is also down the head coach, if he see's players he thinks are unfit, then surely he has the power to make sure they are fit? As in setting them a regime and getting them to do 1 on 1's with forshaw etc. There are institutes you can send players to for fitness/injury recovery as well.

I won't be judging Forshaw until I see how the fitness is under Maguire personally.

My sig's about ready to burst if I put any more stuff in it.

I would be very surprised were Forshaw and Veivers with us next year if were gonna have a complete clean out then they need to have exactly that and not mess about. As silly as it sounds the hard work for next year starts real soon and if we wish to get off to a better start than are previous seasons this years pre season training is more important than ever.

Mike Forshaw has to take some of the responsability for this then as does Brian Noble.

But in fairness to Ian Lenagan I can't disagree with anything he says. It's true. We're not well conditioned and you can tell that from looking at one or two players at the club.

I wouldn't have said it in the media though I would have been a bit more private. But then again maybe he needs to 'ruffle a few feathers' and shake up a few players like Karl Pryce and Mark Riddell.

I agree, not needed from Lenagan. The only reason he would say it publicly is to have a cheap shot at Noble.

No was a genuine question. I was actually away in Oz so didn't see these, was just interested.

I hope not but you are probably right.

Or maybe because it's the truth, Noble has left, fans are clamouring for news etc.

The guy will always be damned by one segment of the fans or another.

sorry Father Ted in my opinion there was more than 2/3 players unfit.......our team appeared to fade in the last 10 mins of every game............their fitness levels where questionable at best...

the buck stops at noble as he is in overall charge of the squad.if they dont perform to the highest level then he was responsible and should of sorted it out

Just done a synopsis of everything you've ever written on this board. You don't need to post anymore as we can just cut and paste the above on to every thread. No need to thank me...saying goodbye will be thanks enough.

Well, thats simpily not true.

Our problem was we were to slow out the blocks when it mattered.

No it wouldnt he's tha same as MF

the best conditioners are not the disciplinarians. thats the coaches job. the best fitness people are scientists who command respect by the coaches authority and by their own demeanor.

surey there are thse types of men working now in Super league?