and by saturday night you will have

I don't think in our game V Stains 3 weeks ago that defence was the problem. It was our attack that lacked the cutting edge, and here lies the problem...

Drop Smith=Improves our defence immeasurably but reduces our attacking threat

Include Smith=Gives us far more options going forward but he's a deffo weaklink in defence

BUt with the withdrawal of Piggy I think that decision has been taken away from our esteemed coach

We lost because they went into our 20 three times all match and scored each time.

If we could defend we would have won. Compare Stains goal line defence during that game to ours and that was the difference.

We've played a game more than the rest of the league so thats a reason for that.

Plus (although Saints have the same issue) you have to kick your goals and Wigan have only kicked only 33 from 54 tries.

Best Attack

1 St Helens 30.8 points per game
2 Harlequins 26.3 points per game
3 Hull Kingston Rovers 25.4 points per game
4 Castleford Tigers 24.8 points per game
5 Wakefield Wildcats 24 points per game
=red6 Wigan Warriors 23.8 points per game
7 Huddersfield Giants 22.7 points per game
8 Warrington Wolves 22.6 points per game
9 Catalans Dragons 22.3 points per game
10 Leeds Rhinos 22 points per game
11 Hull FC 21.2 points per game
12 Bradford Bulls 20.3 points per game
13 Salford City Reds 16 points per game
14 Celtic Crusaders 14.2 points per game

Best Defence

1 Leeds Rhinos 13.7 points against per game
2 St Helens 16.1 points against per game
3 Hull Kingston Rovers 17.1 points against per game
4 Huddersfield Giants 17.9 points against per game
5 Harlequins 19.8 points against per game
6 Wakefield Wildcats 20 points against per game
7 Hull FC 20.3 points against per game
=red8 Wigan Warriors 20.7 points against per game
9 Castleford Tigers 24.8 points against per game
10 Catalans Dragons 27.4 points against per game
11 Bradford Bulls 27.9 points against per game
12 Warrington Wolves 28.5 points against per game
13 Celtic Crusaders 31.1 points against per game
14 Salford City Reds 32.8 points against per game

so we're looking at a 26 - 20 defeat then ?

right, I'm off down the bookies in the morning ...

goin off topic a little, against saintsl i would spot leon pryce, bradford did it on friday night and everytime they drove him back in the tackle 20 15 yards everytime

Funilly enough channel flicking I caught a bit of Sky's "Rugby Club" and theres Shaun Edwards telling a load of welsh convicts trying to turn their lifes around by playing union........

I think you could go further than just saying good defence is needed, I think we need great contact in the tackle from the start. Bradford did it well and look at their result. We need to keep Gidley out of the game.

Exactly, once you have the defense sorted confidence rises within the team and when attacking everything can become a lot easier as your not attacking to stay in the game because your defense is pants.

Sort your defense out and the tries will come.

Defence is our real big problem at the moment imo.

We look a side that can score big points now with a realy dangerous backline but unless we start to defend that bit better we won't achieve anything.

I said at the game on Sunday whilst we were 16-6 up that to win that game we'd have to score 30+ points because we wouldn't keep them much under that and thats how it proved.

The motivation to bend their backs just doesn't seem there in the majority of games.

Your spot on.

Saints scored three from three attacks. That was all that lost us that game, credit to everyone on that field for only giving them three attacks, but ultimatly we stood off Gidley, and dropped a bomb.

Improve our defense, and we could win.

COME ON WIGAN

It's not just defence it's these stupid penalties we keep giving away

Yeah given away silly penalties is a massive part we need to cut out. We gave away only 1 try in the second half to wakey last sunday and the tries they scored in the first half were mostly from our penalties

So it's Defence that wins games, Defence And Not giving away stupid penalties are the thing that win games.

Sorry

The 2 x things that win you games are Defence, Not giving away stupijd penalties And an ablilty to hold onto the ball !

No

The 3 x things that win you games are Defence, Not giving Penalties, ability to hold onto the Ball and an almost ruthless Execution in Attack!

NO NO NO!

The 4 x Things that Win you games are Defence, Not giving Penalties, ability to hold onto the Ball, ruthless Execution in Attack and scoring more points than the opposition!!



Oh God that's 5 things!

Discuss!

Defence can only draw games, perfect defence and no attack gives a team exaclty 0 points. Attack wins games, but your defence has to be better than the other teams attack.

If we play as well as we did on Maundy Thursday - ill be happy win or lose.

true call batesy but also true what king warrior says. PENS. been the biggest problem for us for years. no use playing well if your just going to throw it away with stupid pens. and also needlessly givin up possesion on 1ss or 2nd play of the ball. i think if we close em down n get in there plastic faces like bulls did. we'll av half a chance of turning them over. cant wait for it cumon wigan gidus a happy bank holiday for a change

It's a bit early to be on the ale isn't it

I think defence/discipline plus our last tackle plays turning the slug round making them run 90 metres to score is the way to go!

Keep Bailey Coley and Fielden off the pitch as much as possible will keep the penalty count to a minimun

I hope Tim Smith is reading this thread

He's still trying to work out what the picture on the first post means

Right...bring the COMFY CHAIR!

- We're coached by Brian Noble.

It's really good to see the Wigan side scoring points tho and not being scared of throwing the ball around, even in our own ten lol keeps us on the edge of our seats, we do have quite a poor defence, but least out on the two (attack/defence) it's the easier one to fix.

Obviously Brian and the boys took some last minute tips off me.