sadly right.

Yes also

A chairman that seems to be a yes man, does not seem to have a back bone
A coach that won`t give local talent a chance.
very poor marketing skills in all respects
Players that don`t have any pride

where do we go from here as I don`t want my team to be the laughing stock of SL even though it happened at the end of last season.

The club never recovered from Central Park going in the late 90s. The soul of the club died then. We are now based at a venue where we are clearly not wanted - with little prospect of moving.

You know its bad when real loyal fans just don't enjoy going anymore - and to be truthful I'm getting towards that stage. I know I'll keep going but I really can't see anything changing whilst we remain in the JJB. We can change coach, playing personnel, whatever - but nothing will change.

Not sure about the coach being a yes man, he doesn't answer to anybody. If you mean the stadium and DW, remember that he's bound by contract, details of which we're not privvy to.

I think we have a chairman with good intentions but little idea of how to run a rugby league club. He should do what Dave Whelan did, keep his ownership of the club but let someone else with experience of running a rugby league club run the club.

Brian Noble should go - if he is 100% responsible for the recruitment at the club then he should go. Richie Mathers extended contract? Cameron Phelps keeping talent at the club like Ainscough out while taking up a quota spot? Riddell for Higham? Strengthening on the wing when we should have looked for a prop forward? Tim Smith to replace Barrett? Richard Moore, Ryan McGolderick potential targets?

And I haven't even got onto the performances.

Didn`t say the coach
but IL does not seem to disagree with anything or anyone he does seem to be a yes man.

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Typo on my part, meant IL.

Too many RAC's

When Lenegan pipes up (like he did last season) he got panned for it. Now he's being non-committal, especially pending action on his part and he's a yes-man.

To me, non-committal and yes-man are two different thing.

Look what happened when he did pipe up we thrashed hull 66-6( always remember it that match was two days before my 40th birthday, but thats another story)
maybe he needs to give the players a name and shame session behind closed doors and also put the cards on the table with BN (if he hasn`t already)

Not sure the players need a dressing-down, maybe a little education on what Cherry and White means to us mere mortals.

As for putting the cards on the table for Noble, bugger it, just GIVE Noble his cards!

Personally I think it is too soon in the season to get rid of BN, when he first came to us he did get us out of the brown and smelly, so i think he should be given a bit more time.although he needs to give ainscough, mossop etc more first team experience, The more senior players should take a step forward and change lockers as captain i`m sorry but he ain`t no leader.

Bit late for that

Oh ye of little IQ if you read the threads you would understand that we are stll at the beginning of the season so the past few weeks don`t mean diddly squat

So why all the moaning and calling for the coaches head if the last few weeks mean "diddly squat"?

Oh no if you read them you would see I said he should be given more time, so who is moaning??
the other problems with marketing have been a on going problem
If you are going to post so called funny remarks at least get your facts right first.

Time? He's had 2 1/2 years. The Noble Stays/Noble Goes is on another thread. I respect your position but respectfully disagree.

. You.
Any of the following statements ring any bells?

From the coach with no plan B
From the load of second rate antipodean alleged boozers recruited for the team.
A chairman that seems to be a yes man, does not seem to have a back bone
A coach that won`t give local talent a chance.
Players that don`t have any pride

Any of the following statements ring any bells?

From the coach with no plan B
From the load of second rate antipodean alleged boozers recruited for the team.
A chairman that seems to be a yes man, does not seem to have a back bone
A coach that won`t give local talent a chance.
Players that don`t have any pride


coach with no plan B ( When you have a tired or beaten pack you have halfbacks with no room you can have ten different plans and it won't make any difference in honesty ) no coach drops a ball or misses a tackle its how they and the team respond .

From the load of second rate antipodean alleged boozers recruited for the team.

So pleased you said alleged and during the Wigan heyday you NEVER saw any player in the pubs and clubs of Wigan did you ?

A chairman that seems to be a yes man, does not seem to have a back bone

enough backbone to put his money into a sport and a team and not go for the QUICK fix just because things are not going right

A coach that won`t give local talent a chance I love this one against Hull Wigan had 7 yes thats SEVEN players in the starting 17 that have all come through the Wigan acadamy side ! against Cass we had 8 yes eight who have come through the ranks pity Noble won't give LOCAL or YOUTH a chance

Players that don`t have any pride I don't know how many of the players you know but i don't think any of them lack pride and i suspect every player you speak to will show that there pride is hurting just as much if not more than the fans

but unlike the fans they will keep it quiet and attempt to use it as a motivating force for the next game

for me i will be getting behind the team and support them through the bad times and i am sure it will feel a whole lot sweeter when the good times do come back to the club

My Dad is even older and played the game as a kid and was friends with some former greats when at school and what he has to say is not complimentary.



This is the only thing I will take issue with you in your post. That problem was part of the process of extricating the club from the DW/JJB empire.

Mick Hogan is doing a good job on this front.

Dave

Yep. Thats the bulk of it in a nutshell.

I totally agree, yesterday I parked up at Tesco car park near the bronze rugby ball statue. Being a saints supporter I remembered every year going to central park and the place was the heart and soul of rugby league.
Now when I go to the JJB it seems the share of ownership with the football doesn,t work, the pride and soul of rugby is not there, but has been replaced by an one crisis after another. The club is always looking for a quick fix when it should be looking for its lost soul.

Same really, I go to games as a matter of loyalty. I no longer look forward to going, the team is poor, I don't care if we get to the semis again, nothing will change the fact that the team we have has no class at all. We have good players in a few positions, but we don't have 1 great player.

I've never seen a team so devoid of ideas and leadership.

You never expect us to go the length of the field, ever. At one time we'd be throwing the ball around in our own quarter looking for a break. There's just no excitement in our play at all.

As said, I'll still go as I love the club. It just isn't fun like it used to be, you turn up expecting to watch dire negative rugby, and we are never disappointed.

We could go out and win our next 3 games, and it would paper over the cracks IMO. We are a team in crisis, IMO. We may win a good few games, but when it matters against the big teams, in the big games, our lack of class will be evident every single game.

I find it truly unbelievable that the team we have is using up the salary cap, or as close as damn it. We don't have any big names, not one. So where the feck is that money going? You look at the names on the team-sheet at Leeds and Saints, even Warrington. They have star names across the park. Then you look at us, and its, blahhhh......

i have read your posts and believe that ylour poor player recruitment and the willingness to allow quality wigan lads to leave is the main reason for your poor run of form in the last 6 or so years!

Mark Riddell will not bring as much to the table as higham did in one game all this season.

karl pryce? phelps? etc etc you have some very expensive poor players on your books.
look at the likes of briscoe, wild, gilmour, hodgson, robinson brown etc etc too many good players seen the exit door. your main problem is you never replaced andy farrell!

Wild yes, brisc maybe, the rest, no.

As for MH, do you mean the Cats game where he brought so much to the table? Mainly handing the victory to the French?!

oh dear! i would imagine 95% of wigan fans would roughly agree with what i am saying! you must be one of them supporters noble would get on well with!