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| None of Eseh chan or Walters have done anything of note. Absolutely nothing. If all 3 left I don't think we'd notice
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| Quote ="bazdev"None of Eseh chan or Walters have done anything of note. Absolutely nothing. If all 3 left I don't think we'd notice'"
I'm not sure I've seen enough of them to make a judgement.
If nothing else, though, all three must now know they'll need to step it up to get selected regularly. I suppose it depend on how they respond to that challenge.
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| I’ve not seen the Leigh game but I felt Walters showed up well last week all be it he was only on the pitch for the final 20 mins vs Huddersfield.
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| Quote ="jonh"I’ve not seen the Leigh game but I felt Walters showed up well last week all be it he was only on the pitch for the final 20 mins vs Huddersfield.'"
He was good in his stint against Leigh too John. He's starting to look hard to handle and more like the player we thought we'd signed. We haven't seen the running lines that he showed latterly at Leeds but I'm sure that will come.
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| Chan, Eseh and Walters are in different cases for me. Chan and Eseh are project signings. I don't think either of them were signed with the expectation of playing much for Wigan this year. They might make it, they might not. Walters, however, was definitely signed with this season very much in mind. Personally, I have been giving him the benefit of the doubt, as his pre-season was messed up and, as we saw with KPP last season, that can take a while to come back from. I do think Walters has shown improvement over the last three or four games, but he definitely needed to. He has been prone to errors and has not always looked like he's bringing the intensity he needs. And, as many of us have said, there is considerable doubt as to whether his future is in the back row or the front row. Right at this moment, he doesn't look to me as if he has quite the aggression needed for the front row, or the punch out wide for the back row. Certainly not compared to Nsemba, for example. But, he is improving, so I am hopeful that if he stays fit and keeps getting minutes he will continue to pick up. Next year, if he has the benefit of a proper pre-season, he may still be the player we hoped he would be. I would still like some more cover in the back row, though, with Faz getting older and Isa possibly on his way out. For Chan and Eseh, I am not too fussed. Hopefully, some more game time next season and then we should know if they have a long-term future with us, or whether they're in the Ramon Silva category.
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| Fully expect Walters to have his best game in front of that Rhino's South Stand on Saturday.
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| Quote ="Phuzzy"He was good in his stint against Leigh too John. He's starting to look hard to handle and more like the player we thought we'd signed. We haven't seen the running lines that he showed latterly at Leeds but I'm sure that will come.'"
I am fully in agreement with you Phuzzy. It was also noticeable that he played more minutes in the middle. Best performance yet.
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| Quote ="Zig"I am fully in agreement with you Phuzzy. It was also noticeable that he played more minutes in the middle. Best performance yet.'"
He played the entire game in the back row
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| Quote ="NSW"He played the entire game in the back row'"
? He didn't play the entire game.
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| Quote ="Zig"? He didn't play the entire game.'"
Sorry, his entire game.
Hasn’t spent a second at prop or loose forward all season.
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| Quote ="NSW"Sorry, his entire game.
Hasn’t spent a second at prop or loose forward all season.'"
Ok. I know he came on for Junior but I believe he took up a defensive role in the middle on Tuesday.
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| Quote ="Zig"Ok. I know he came on for Junior but I believe he took up a defensive role in the middle on Tuesday.'"
Who do you think defended the edge instead of him? I thought Walters defended 3 in as he always does when he comes on
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| Quote ="bazdev"Who do you think defended the edge instead of him? I thought Walters defended 3 in as he always does when he comes on'"
I may be wrong mate, I will watch it again.
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| Quote ="Zig"I may be wrong mate, I will watch it again.'"
He’s playing as a middle today, definitely.
Didn’t see Leigh game so can’t comment.
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| Quote ="MattyB"Fully expect Walters to have his best game in front of that Rhino's South Stand on Saturday.'"
Ahahahahaha
There’s a reason Leeds dropped him to the reserves
He’s not very good at rugby lol
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| Quote ="MattyB"Fully expect Walters to have his best game in front of that Rhino's South Stand on Saturday.'"
To be fair, that's not a massively high bar...
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| Quote ="moto748"To be fair, that's not a massively high bar...
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He didn’t make it
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| Where is Eckersley up to with his contract? I've searched and can't find details. I was told last night (not from my usual source I hasten to add) that we are in talks with him as Wigan are struggling to fit him under their cap for next season
Not sure if there's anything in it or not but the lad who told me has heard this from Eckersley's brother. From a Saints POV I'd jump at it as we are crying out for young, pacy backs but if he's in the middle of a long-term deal its a non-starter
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| Quote ="Stu M"Where is Eckersley up to with his contract? I've searched and can't find details. I was told last night (not from my usual source I hasten to add) that we are in talks with him as Wigan are struggling to fit him under their cap for next season
Not sure if there's anything in it or not but the lad who told me has heard this from Eckersley's brother. From a Saints POV I'd jump at it as we are crying out for young, pacy backs but if he's in the middle of a long-term deal its a non-starter'"
Not sure about that rumour but one thing is sure his contract status looks to be being kept under wraps by the club.
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| Quote ="jonh"Not sure about that rumour but one thing is sure his contract status looks to be being kept under wraps by the club.'"
Yes it seems to be "undisclosed"
As it stands we going to have a lot of cap to play with with Makinson, Dodd and very likely Matautia, Hurrell and Blake leaving (more hope for the latter two rather than knowledge) and we are crying out for a centre
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| Quote ="Stu M"Yes it seems to be "undisclosed"
As it stands we going to have a lot of cap to play with with Makinson, Dodd and very likely Matautia, Hurrell and Blake leaving (more hope for the latter two rather than knowledge) and we are crying out for a centre'" Thought you were in for Opacic from HKR?
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| Quote ="Fujiman"Thought you were in for Opacic from HKR?'"
He's going back to Aus to play Q Cup
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| Quote ="Stu M"Where is Eckersley up to with his contract? I've searched and can't find details. I was told last night (not from my usual source I hasten to add) that we are in talks with him as Wigan are struggling to fit him under their cap for next season
Not sure if there's anything in it or not but the lad who told me has heard this from Eckersley's brother. From a Saints POV I'd jump at it as we are crying out for young, pacy backs but if he's in the middle of a long-term deal its a non-starter'"
For our sake's let's hope not as he looks very promising indeed (already helped us secure a major trophy with his try on the CC Final). Another thing that makes it doubtful is how often do you see a player go directly from Wigan to Saints or vice versa? When was the last one? Plus I'm talking about a first team player, not a reserve/academy/scholarship...etc.
Even Micky Higham came to us indirectly from Bradford and that was nearly twenty years ago.
Unlike Hull FC & Hull KR who regularly swap players both ways over the years for us it's very rare.
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| Quote ="MattyB"For our sake's let's hope not as he looks very promising indeed (already helped us secure a major trophy with his try on the CC Final). Another thing that makes it doubtful is how often do you see a player go directly from Wigan to Saints or vice versa? When was the last one? Plus I'm talking about a first team player, not a reserve/academy/scholarship...etc.
Even Micky Higham came to us indirectly from Bradford and that was nearly twenty years ago.
Unlike Hull FC & Hull KR who regularly swap players both ways over the years for us it's very rare.'"
I agree it would be highly unlikely. However if he is off contract at the end of the year, there's nothing Wigan can do.
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| Quote ="Stu M"I agree it would be highly unlikely. However if he is off contract at the end of the year, there's nothing Wigan can do.'"
I just can't see us not offering him a new contract, if rumours are true we are looking to offload Hampshire, Cooper and Isa (at least) by season end.
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