Yes, isn't it! Really enjoyed seeing Wakey turn over the Cats, and wasn't surprised to see the Giants beat Saints. The margin was a lot more comfortable than I expected, though.

KC OUT?

Anyone catch Maguire laughing and joking with Matty Smith after the final hooter? Roll back to 2006 when we were rock bottom I would have been livid if I'd seen any of the Wigan players in this kind of mood after getting walloped..!!

To be fair people tend to criticise centres for not passing even when there's nothing on and it would just be a pass for the sake of passing. If it's 2 on 2 there's not really a reason to pass until you can draw the man. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard fans around me complaining because a centre didn't pass when it was a 2 on 2 situation. We've been very poor at creating space for our outside backs this year so it's little wonder that our wingers are seeing less of the ball. Manfredi gets some good opportunities because Gelling has the size and skill to create something from nothing. Gildart relies on his pace and his ability to draw the man but he won't really attract the winger if he has little space to run with the ball.

Even if he is being a little too cautious at the moment, it's more than likely just a phase. His passing was fine when he played last year. In fact it's one of the reasons why people were describing him as a natural centre. Sometimes a little dip in confidence or a bit of added pressure can have a noticeable effect. I'm pretty confident that if the attack can start firing again like it has done in the past then Gildart will be fine.

I agree that people do tend to want centres to just be passing machines and they'll judge far too quickly when lads don't ship the ball at every opportunity. A lot of people really rated Darrell Goulding because he was seen as being a wingers Centre but maybe he passed because he didn't have the running game to trouble teams?! He was nowhere near as threatening as Gildart with the ball in hand and he had Sam Tomkins helping make space for him.

I'm a huge Gildart fan and he definitely has the talent to go on and become top class. His passing game needs work but it's certainly more of an observation then a criticism.

Im sure Gildart will be fine if the coaches realise what we in the stand can see,hes devolped this little issue that needs a bit of working on and he'll be reet.

I have only seen the highlights due to being on a family holiday, apart from the score what were the positives?

Definitely not! KC is doing a fantastic job from my point of view.

Definitely not a good weekend for the Super Saints, but they managed to go one better than us in one department - by playing in an even worse kit than we did.

Stop calling us Super Saints that is well past its sell by date, our playing kit reflected the way we played.....wimpish.

like wane said, we played well for the first 20 in each half. In these spells we looked far more organized than we have all season. There was shape in attack with passes finding the right men, this is most obvious in the isa and gildart tries. It might just be that leeds were terrible but i think its down to having more of our playmakers fit.

The other big positive was the end to sets. We were consistently putting up bombs that landed yards from the leeds line and had 1 or 2 chasers competing for the ball or tackling the receiver immediately. Hardaker dropped one for an isa try and we scored two more from them in the second half. Both sam and smith were doing the long range kicking with williams getting more involved close to the line.

In the end we completed at about 75-80%, conceded off two poor missed one on ones, and didnt play as well in the last 20 but that was without sam and lockers. Im not getting too excited because leeds have been so bad but there were signs of organization and game management that ive not seen all season and will make us difficult to beat if we keep them up. Really looking forward to the cas game now, it will be a good test of whether we have improved.

Ryan Sutton had a really good game, big metres and should have scored a try too but dropped it with the line begging.

Not for the first time, as someone commented the other day.

I missed the game too, and thus far have only seen the tries, but good to hear there was a bit more organisation in attack. If Williams can get his short kicking game going, and Smith the longer stuff, we;ll be in a much better place.

It was me. Third time it's happened now this season, really needs to concentrate as he's going for the line!

Think Sutton has caught the Tautai bug.

Regarding Williams's short kicking game, he set up Isa's second try with a little grubber through. Phil Clarke mentioned a stat during the game that last season we scored the most tries from kicks, whereas this season we have scored the fewest. Williams being injured for most of the season has been a big factor in this. It was great seeing him running at the line again also, he's got beautiful balance/footwork.

I must be the only one that likes our hi-vis kit!

Does that mean your second job is as a lollipop man.

I only caught bits of the game but from what I saw Sutton dropped the ball a couple of times, but having said that it was also noticeable he was taking the ball in much harder than he seems to have done before, which could contribute.

I've been a critic of his and Isa this year but both seemed to have their best games of the season from my limited viewing.

I think that's largely due to inexperience, fair enough at his age - seemed to me he was intended to be dummy runner and wasn't alert enough to see what Williams (I think, or was it Powell?) saw when passing to him instead of missing him out as planned.

I have liked what I've eeenbof Sutton so far, in the first warrington game he looked good was tackling hard and made decent metres the second game and against hull he looked tired, he will surely have been playing more.minutes than.anticipated which will be affecting performances.

For me he's a starter with Flower. Actually runs the ball in like a prop making the hard yards scattering players. Think he was second highest tackler as well v Leeds (after Powell)

Just read the thread and I don't get the criticism of Gildart and Sutton. IMO these are two of the brightest prospects we have and like Budgie before them have that something about them that says they are natural RL players and could go on to great things.

They are both young and seem to be getting criticised as if they were at their peak. To put this in some sort of perspective, Gelling is 25 ands still makes daft mistakes yet often gets away with it with fans and is often referred to (still) as a work in progress yet Gildart is only 19.

I don't think they are the issue at all. It's more senior players who deserve putting under the microscope. For example saying Sam being back takes pressure off Smith. Smith shouldn't need pressure taking off him, he should take it off Williams. Instead because Smith is so static and predictable defenders can mark Williams without worrying about Smith.

I have not seen the Leeds game (was at a Status Quo concert, late birthday present from the wife

) so my comments are general and made because I think people are being a bit harsh on two excellent young players.

I don't really see it as criticism but more as people recognising their talent but also recognising there's things to work on. Sutton and Gildart are clearly very very good prospects and whilst I can pick out numerous strengths, I can also see weaknesses. They will need to work on these to become the players they can be.

If we compare them to Gelling I think he's worked on some of his weaknesses. He has improved in a lot of ways but again there's room for improvement.

Status Quo is a good comparison for our play at present, same three chords, too predictable but still better than most of the new stuff around.

Who are you, and what have you done with the real DaveO???