without going off topic too much, apart from his kicking, is Pat really any good? I mean really?, because i, aswell as many, think not.

Noble hasnt played him since the drugs test

If that's true, it wasn't smart. Talk about giving your boss the ammo he needs to fire you.

But I doubt it's true to be honest. Why would Noble keep such a thing quiet from the chairman?

So why was IL not pleased Noble continued to play him? Because IL didn't want a player taking drugs at the club so wanted nothing more to do with the player and if he was found out was aware of the damage it would do?

Or that he simply didn't want Hock found out and wanted him only to be played when clean?

Either way I don't find it likely Noble would play a player he knew was on drugs full stop. He may not be a very good coach in my eyes but surely he isn't that stupid?

Dave

Like who tough?

We have to realistic. It is highly unlikely we can bring in a currently employed NRL coach.

Noble was an experienced coach, look how that turned out.

Its all well and good saying what we need but in terms of attraction to the Australians a move to SL would be like Potter moving from Saints to take over at Widnes.

My number one appointment would be Smith from Newcastle but its simply not likely.

Its great identifying what we need, we can all do that but its much more difficult to attract them as realistic prospects to the club. Who realistically do you think we could bring over who fits the criteria you mention?

So thats your only reason for thinking he is the right man for the Wigan job?

Lets forget Wayne Bennett's influence for a minute and also lets forget the fact that NZ are a very very good team made of primarily of players playing in the NRL every week (so basically a 2nd Aussie team).

Kearney won one game V Australia. So did David Waite,so did Brian Noble.

It just doesnt add up as anything like a good reason for making him coach of Wigan sorry.

Nail hit firmly on the head.

Well I can't answer that, now I don't now when the tests are taken before or after the match, but by the sounds of it either way from what I've heard noble was told by hock he would fail it, yet Noble decided to sit on it, rather than say anything till actual proof came out.

No it isn't.

Like I said you obviously work in a very insular world.



Who says he has to give up any longer term commitment to NZ just because he may have been sounded out about a job? Time doesn't stand still. Also, as far as I'm aware he hasn't been offered a new long term deal with NZ which make that argument completely irrelevant.

You seem incapable of recognising a scenario that happens quite a lot in all forms of working life. We know the reason is because you just like to have a good whinge about Lenagan.

I await the next amusing whingeathon with interest.

I wouldnt mind David Waite to be honest.

I too would not mind him, but again there are doubts that could be raised regards his involvement in the game and why he has not managed to get a job in the NRl when Kearney is the heir apparent to the next vacant seat in the NRL.

Well thats two calls and one sms from different people who dont use this saying they have heard hes gone

Sounds bollox to me. Hock was tested immediately after a game and wouldn't know he was going to be tested.

I've had two emails and a text message today.

I wouldn't read too much into that, players/coaches say things like that all the time and before you know it they've signed the contract.

Maybe he's come to an agreement with the NZRL.

He struggling with the concept of people being sounded out about jobs, without you really starting to confuse the issue.

David Waite with Lam as assistant would do for me.

Was the text from o2?

he may have told Noble before the game that he would fail a test if he was one of the chosen ones....Noble might have deemed it worth the risk.

I've had the sun on my head all day at the beach so maybe I'm being slow, but is that a joke?

True.

It was only Salford FFS - really not worth the risk.

My concern with Waite would be strength of character, which was the same concern I had with Noble. He does not strike me as the man to crack some heads which we need.

We have had some top coaches who have crumbled under player pressure and in my opinion losing the dressing room, they do not suddenly become poor coaches just i feel personality lets them down from time to time I would worry Waite would fall into this category. Folks would be on my list again because he does not seem the type to worry about putting a few noses out of joint.

Hopefully RHJ you finally agree though we would be very unlucky to get a coach from the strictest coaching on field point of view who is worse than Noble has been.

With his win percentage? He needed to get that higher and this was one of the few bankable times to do it



If that is true then it's possibly more stupid than Hock doing it in the first place.

Even if true, which i doubt both people in that situation should be sacked if the coach was willing to sweep it under the carpet. I highly doubt it is the case though.