Quote ="[Gareth"Joels gone www.wiganwarriors.com/news/2018- ... n-warriors'" The big question now is will we get anything out of Sam for the rest of the season? Though I admit, we'd struggle to get less out of him than we've had since his own departure was announced.

Quote ="[Gareth"Joels gone www.wiganwarriors.com/news/2018- ... n-warriors'" The big question now is will we get anything out of Sam for the rest of the season? Though I admit, we'd struggle to get less out of him than we've had since his own departure was announced.

Is there a report to say if Wigan are part paying his salary?

Why would we need to? reads like his contract has been terminated

Quote ="[Gareth"Why would we need to? reads like his contract has been terminated'" Looks like he resigned www.hullkr.co.uk/rovers-recruit- ... rom-wigan/

Quote ="[Gareth"Why would we need to? reads like his contract has been terminated'" Looks like he resigned www.hullkr.co.uk/rovers-recruit- ... rom-wigan/

No loss at all and definitely money spent better elsewhere.

Quote ="Mash Butty"Looks like he resigned www.hullkr.co.uk/rovers-recruit- ... rom-wigan/'" here too www.skysports.com/rugby-league/n ... r-incident

Quote ="Mash Butty"Looks like he resigned www.hullkr.co.uk/rovers-recruit- ... rom-wigan/'" here too www.skysports.com/rugby-league/n ... r-incident

Quote ="[Gareth"here too www.skysports.com/rugby-league/n ... r-incident'" Brilliant news, now we need some announcements of signings

Quote ="[Gareth"here too www.skysports.com/rugby-league/n ... r-incident'" Brilliant news, now we need some announcements of signings

So since the beginning of the season we've now lost (without replacement):

Gelling
FPN
Joel

Surely there's spare cash in the pot to recruit in for the rest of this season (even if on loan)? Or will the club just ride it out with the squad we have left?

Was Sarge the replacement for Gels? I could be wrong.

You’d have to think there’s room. I think Sarginson was signed knowing Gelling was going but there doesn’t look to have been replacements for McIlorum or Nuuausala and now a reporter high earner like Joel Tomkins is off the books.

In the short term I’m expecting we’ll move for Greenwood and that will be a boost. In the longer term the club has zero excuses for not being able to strengthen across the board. I’d imagine Hardaker and Greenwood will be on well less then the Tomkins brothers so that spare cash along with the salaries of McIlorum, Nuuausala, Sutton, Bateman and whoever else leaves (fringe players such as Higginson and Bretherton have reportedly already been told they’re being released) should be available. Yes a couple of lads will have had increases but the club simply must be aiming to get in another prop (or two), a centre and a scrum half.

I've got this horrible feeling Wigan are simply running out of cash, in years gone by we got good deals for each of the Tomkins which filled the reserves of cash and we haven't had those inflows of late, just people going - i.e headcount reductions. The attendances & sponsorships aren't making up for it. Sorry for the pessimism but it's something I've seen many times before in my line of work.

Let’s not forget that although Sam was on big money, only £75K counted towards salary cap. Like others have said, there must be plenty room on the cap to bring somebody in straight away.

Ah...could be. My mistake.

Might be putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, but with Joel leaving confirmed, and Greenwood not featuring at all in the first team over in Aus, it wouldn't be unthinkable to try to bring him to Wigan with immediate effect.
Would be a positive amongst many negatives of late.

The suggestion I’m being told is we’re finalising the deal to do exactly that

Quote ="Mash Butty"I've got this horrible feeling Wigan are simply running out of cash, in years gone by we got good deals for each of the Tomkins which filled the reserves of cash and we haven't had those inflows of late, just people going - i.e headcount reductions. The attendances & sponsorships aren't making up for it. Sorry for the pessimism but it's something I've seen many times before in my line of work.'" You're right about attendences, we have been sliding ever since peaking at 16k average back in 2012. Unfortunately Bilko's site only shows until 2014: wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=489 2011 - 16,125 2012 - 16,045 2013 - 14,544 2014 - 14,102 2015 - ? (approx 13k IIRC) 2016 - ? (approx 13k IIRC) 2017 - ? (approx 12k IIRC) 2018 - *11,100 (approx so far) Definitely the crowds are going in the wrong direction. A third down in revenue since 2011. * I didn't include the Hull FC gate in Aus, not sure if that made much money or not to be honest!

Quote ="Mash Butty"I've got this horrible feeling Wigan are simply running out of cash, in years gone by we got good deals for each of the Tomkins which filled the reserves of cash and we haven't had those inflows of late, just people going - i.e headcount reductions. The attendances & sponsorships aren't making up for it. Sorry for the pessimism but it's something I've seen many times before in my line of work.'" You're right about attendences, we have been sliding ever since peaking at 16k average back in 2012. Unfortunately Bilko's site only shows until 2014: wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=489 2011 - 16,125 2012 - 16,045 2013 - 14,544 2014 - 14,102 2015 - ? (approx 13k IIRC) 2016 - ? (approx 13k IIRC) 2017 - ? (approx 12k IIRC) 2018 - *11,100 (approx so far) Definitely the crowds are going in the wrong direction. A third down in revenue since 2011. * I didn't include the Hull FC gate in Aus, not sure if that made much money or not to be honest!

Quote ="MattyB"You're right about attendences, we have been sliding ever since peaking at 16k average back in 2012. Unfortunately Bilko's site only shows until 2014: wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=489 2011 - 16,125 2012 - 16,045 2013 - 14,544 2014 - 14,102 2015 - ? (approx 13k IIRC) 2016 - ? (approx 13k IIRC) 2017 - ? (approx 12k IIRC) 2018 - *11,100 (approx so far) Definitely the crowds are going in the wrong direction. A third down in revenue since 2011. * I didn't include the Hull FC gate in Aus, not sure if that made much money or not to be honest!'" That's what you get when the rugby is boring and your not getting entertainment value for your money

Quote ="MattyB"You're right about attendences, we have been sliding ever since peaking at 16k average back in 2012. Unfortunately Bilko's site only shows until 2014: wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=489 2011 - 16,125 2012 - 16,045 2013 - 14,544 2014 - 14,102 2015 - ? (approx 13k IIRC) 2016 - ? (approx 13k IIRC) 2017 - ? (approx 12k IIRC) 2018 - *11,100 (approx so far) Definitely the crowds are going in the wrong direction. A third down in revenue since 2011. * I didn't include the Hull FC gate in Aus, not sure if that made much money or not to be honest!'" That's what you get when the rugby is boring and your not getting entertainment value for your money

I agree with this but I’d also throw into the mix the ever dwindling standard of Super League, the mis management and sheer idiocy by the RFL, the confusion as to the set up for 2019 (which I find utterly repulsive). The list is endless.

But IL took a game to Millwall and also to the other side of the world. Surely the revenue gained from these "exciting" ventures would more than cover any shortfall in supporters not showing up due to the crap being served up on the pitch!

Quote ="MattyB"You're right about attendences, we have been sliding ever since peaking at 16k average back in 2012. Unfortunately Bilko's site only shows until 2014: wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=489 2011 - 16,125 2012 - 16,045 2013 - 14,544 2014 - 14,102 2015 - ? (approx 13k IIRC) 2016 - ? (approx 13k IIRC) 2017 - ? (approx 12k IIRC) 2018 - *11,100 (approx so far) Definitely the crowds are going in the wrong direction. A third down in revenue since 2011. * I didn't include the Hull FC gate in Aus, not sure if that made much money or not to be honest!'" 2015 - 13,362 2016 - 13,499 2017 - 13,648 2018 - 11,274 but there's Saints, Leeds, Wire and Catalan to come. Catalan will be over 15K due to promotion of that game locally with the community clubs.

Quote ="MattyB"You're right about attendences, we have been sliding ever since peaking at 16k average back in 2012. Unfortunately Bilko's site only shows until 2014: wigan.rlfans.com/fusion_pages/in ... age_id=489 2011 - 16,125 2012 - 16,045 2013 - 14,544 2014 - 14,102 2015 - ? (approx 13k IIRC) 2016 - ? (approx 13k IIRC) 2017 - ? (approx 12k IIRC) 2018 - *11,100 (approx so far) Definitely the crowds are going in the wrong direction. A third down in revenue since 2011. * I didn't include the Hull FC gate in Aus, not sure if that made much money or not to be honest!'" 2015 - 13,362 2016 - 13,499 2017 - 13,648 2018 - 11,274 but there's Saints, Leeds, Wire and Catalan to come. Catalan will be over 15K due to promotion of that game locally with the community clubs.

Good points on the games still to come, offers some balance on the situation.

Cheers Brian, hopefully we can have a few good attendances back end of the season to lift us into 12k+

With Greenwood signed immediately that answers that question. Good bit of business in a dour three week period.

lost MM too but got Sarge instead of Gells

Genius. Call me Mystic LSOW.