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| Quote ="Cruncher"I know. Discussing the state of each other's stadia, especially when some of them appear to be falling down, should be completely off limits.'"
Yes, after all the adverse comments over the years about the DW from fans of other clubs, how unreasonable of Wigan fans to want to discuss the failure of Saints' (and now Wire's) stadia to stand up to winter weather... especially given the obvious safety issues... it's quite outrageous of us, really...
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| Anyway, was any further damage caused to Trailer Park stadium yesterday?
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| Quote ="Deano G"Anyway, was any further damage caused to Trailer Park stadium yesterday?
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I heard that a large pigeon landed on a part of the roof at the North end of the ground and caused £465,297.15 worth of damage
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| Quote ="[Gareth"I heard that a large pigeon landed on a part of the roof at the North end of the ground and caused £465,297.15 worth of damage'"
Just like it would have done at knowsley hole then. Nothing changes.
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| I've been to the DW a few times and am quite amazed at the difference in atmosphere generated between RL and Football... I went there with my mate from Uni to watch Liverpool play there and the atmosphere was created by the Away fans in the main, but watching a Wigan v Saints game there is an unbelieveable experience. There is a certain air of electricity in the air whenever Wigan and Saints collide.
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| Quote ="St_Cunningham_no9"I've been to the DW a few times and am quite amazed at the difference in atmosphere generated between RL and Football... I went there with my mate from Uni to watch Liverpool play there and the atmosphere was created by the Away fans in the main, but watching a Wigan v Saints game there is an unbelieveable experience. There is a certain air of electricity in the air whenever Wigan and Saints collide.'"
thats because it doesnt escape through the roof...
(sorry, couldnt resist)
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| Quote ="Stinky Turner"The point I was making is that when people talk about increasing players salaries to do this sustainably you have to increase revenue accordingly (otherwise you end up with the situation at Wigan Atheletic that you refer to). Having your own facilities such as a stadium provide greater opportunities to do so. Obviously Warrington's gate receipts are some way below Wigan's yet other evenue streams allow us to make up the shortfall.
This has also been done to provide profits in something like four of the last five seasons whilst I think Wigan have only posted a profit once in that period.
I don't think Orrell has recently been quoted as the best traiuning facility in the league by anybody outside of the Wigan club. It[u is falling further and further behind facilities other clubs have (which I'm sure is one of the drivers behind the move of facilities to Central Park[/u; 3G pitch etc). I've seen it up close plenty of times.
There is no doubt that Wigan are doing better than alreet in comparison with its peers in Super League however rugby league needs to up its game considerably going forward to compete with external forces.
As a companison the top 15 revenues for rugby clubs in Europe are:
Position Club 2009/10 Revenue (£m)
1 Toulouse 27.4
2 Clermont Auvergne 19.5
3 Leicester Tigers 18.5
4 Stade Français 18
5 Racing Métro 92 17.2
6 Toulon 16.4
7 Brive 16
8 Montpellier 14.8
9 Biarritz Olympique 14.5
10 Perpignan 12.9
11 Northampton Saints 12
12 Bayonne 12
13 Castres Olympique 11.8
14 Harlequins 10.6
15 Gloucester 9.4
That is what we have to compete with.'"
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| Quote ="SomersetSaint"Comparing turnovers is pointless, the only thing worth comparing is profit.
"Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity"
Quote ="Stinky Turner"Christ that's rich coming from a Saints' fan. Last profit Saints posted was reported in bushells of corn.'"
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My comment was not aimed at any club, it wasn't meant to be scoring points, it is an observation that could be aimed at any company in any business sector. For sure, Saints have been making losses for too many years, and that is an unsustainable position, for any rugby club, or any business. The new ground will hopefully increase our revenue, but unless that can be turned into profits or at least a break even position, then Saints as we know it today won't be around for much longer.
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| Quote ="[Gareth"thats because it doesnt escape through the roof...
(sorry, couldnt resist)'"
If it were the other way round, I'd have done the same!!!
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| Another day, another bashing for Stinky/Youane
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| Quote ="Orrell Lad"Another day, another bashing for Stinky/Youane
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If he offered £25 bets all the time, his debt profile would be up there with Greece.
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"If he offered £25 bets all the time, his debt profile would be up there with Greece.'"
I think he'd stop if someone actually offered to take him up on one.
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| Quote ="SomersetSaint"My comment was not aimed at any club, it wasn't meant to be scoring points, it is an observation that could be aimed at any company in any business sector. For sure, Saints have been making losses for too many years, and that is an unsustainable position, for any rugby club, or any business. The new ground will hopefully increase our revenue, but unless that can be turned into profits or at least a break even position, then Saints as we know it today won't be around for much longer.'"
To address two points; despite being a business, no SL club will ever post a profit remotely close to that of businesses with comparable turnover. Unfortunate, but true. In fact, I would speculate most SL Chairmen/Chief Execs would be delighted with covering operational costs, a modest profit would have them doing cartwheels.
The ground will increase your revenue streams exponentially. I wouldn't know where to begin in respect of speculating the corporate level of increase from Saints' matchday revenues.
I would imagine Saints marketing/BDM has been hammering local businesses, highlighting the scope and number of hospitality suites available to hire every day of the week. I would imagine they are going into Manchester and Liverpool, too, stating how cost effective they are in comparison to PL football clubs. Furthermore, I would imagine Saints have a licence to hold Civil ceremonies, opening them up to the wedding market, also. This is where owning your own stadium pays off; sweating the asset seven days a week, fifty two weeks a year.
For those guffawing at Saints' and Warrington's roof problems; neither are a financial issue. Both will be rectified at no cost due to contractual obligations by installers/manufacturers. KR was a money pit due to it's age, Saints' new place will be covered for a minimum ten or twelve years dependent on the contract being under dead or seal.
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Ask yourselves this; do you really think there are no maintenance costs factored into the lease agreement of the DW?
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"To address two points; despite being a business, no SL club will ever post a profit remotely close to that of businesses with comparable turnover. Unfortunate, but true. In fact, I would speculate most SL Chairmen/Chief Execs would be delighted with covering operational costs, a modest profit would have them doing cartwheels.
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I would agree entirely with this, if saints break even year on year it will be fantastic. What we cannot do though is go on making losses year on year. Sporting clubs on general have been doing this for the last few years and sooner or later someone is going to pull the plug on it and when they do no club will be immune, no matter whether it is saints or man u.
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| Quote ="getdownmonkeyman"To address two points; despite being a business, no SL club will ever post a profit remotely close to that of businesses with comparable turnover. Unfortunate, but true. In fact, I would speculate most SL Chairmen/Chief Execs would be delighted with covering operational costs, a modest profit would have them doing cartwheels.
The ground will increase your revenue streams exponentially. I wouldn't know where to begin in respect of speculating the corporate level of increase from Saints' matchday revenues.
I would imagine Saints marketing/BDM has been hammering local businesses, highlighting the scope and number of hospitality suites available to hire every day of the week. I would imagine they are going into Manchester and Liverpool, too, stating how cost effective they are in comparison to PL football clubs. Furthermore, I would imagine Saints have a licence to hold Civil ceremonies, opening them up to the wedding market, also. This is where owning your own stadium pays off; sweating the asset seven days a week, fifty two weeks a year.
For those guffawing at Saints' and Warrington's roof problems; neither are a financial issue. Both will be rectified at no cost due to contractual obligations by installers/manufacturers. KR was a money pit due to it's age, Saints' new place will be covered for a minimum ten or twelve years dependent on the contract being under dead or seal.
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[uAsk yourselves this; do you really think there are no maintenance costs factored into the lease agreement of the DW?[/u'"
10% of ticket sales...
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| Quote ="SomersetSaint"I would agree entirely with this, if saints break even year on year it will be fantastic. What we cannot do though is go on making losses year on year. Sporting clubs on general have been doing this for the last few years and sooner or later someone is going to pull the plug on it and when they do no club will be immune, no matter whether it is saints or man u.'"
Man City have just posted a annual loss of £200 million thats been written off by their owner! That is simply staggering! Manchester City must be the luckiest sporting club on earth!
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| Quote ="Pieman"RLfans made up fact of the day....'"
Is it though. I know at least a couple of the Wigan players were quite envious of the Saracens training complex when they trained there before the Challenge Cup final.
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| Quote ="Famous"Quote ="Pieman"RLfans made up fact of the day....'"
Is it though. I know at least a couple of the Wigan players were quite envious of the Saracens training complex when they trained there before the Challenge Cup final.'"
I think they were referring to teams in RL.
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| Looking increasingly like there won't be any more re-arranged Sunday games from May onwards.
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| Quote ="MattyB"Looking increasingly like there won't be any more re-arranged Sunday games from May onwards.
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Making QPR look like a good team is not the way to stay in the division, so looks like you might be right on that one unless Whelan bites the bullet and gets rid of the manager.
For anyone looking to turn this into a Latics gloating thread - don't. Ejaculate away on Piespace please.
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| Quote ="MattyB"Looking increasingly like there won't be any more re-arranged Sunday games from May onwards.
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| Quote ="MattyB"Looking increasingly like there won't be any more re-arranged Sunday games from May onwards.
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[url=http://www.cockneylatic.co.uk/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=5&id=77873&Itemid=96Like bloody see-saws. The term bi-polar springs to mind.[/url
Personally I'd like Wigan to be able to boast top flight rugby league and soccer teams for years to come.
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Don't forget when buying tickets for Good Friday to ask for seats in the shallow end
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Don't forget when buying tickets for Good Friday to ask for seats in the shallow end
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Brian, link brings me to a page where you have to log into Redvee (no intentions of doing that).
Anyone paste the content? ta
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Brian, link brings me to a page where you have to log into Redvee (no intentions of doing that).
Anyone paste the content? ta
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