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| Quote ="tigertot"Here's an idea form the left field. He was swinging at the ball. I have seen it before in the tackle.'"
But he missed and caught Louis Anderson square on the jaw, hence the charge of a reckless High tackle. simple really
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| Quote ="Vectrabeast"But he missed and caught Louis Anderson square on the jaw, hence the charge of a reckless High tackle. simple really
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Exactly, I said from the outset I expect a one game ban, which Leeds can't argue with. I was suggesting it maybe wasn't a malicious, deliberate attack to the head which could warrant more. As Phil Clarke said, following Westerman's similar effort, there should possibly be the option of a 10 minute spell of reflection immediately after the event.
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Massive kick off on the Leeds forum as expected, majority of posters slagging Wane off for commenting that McGuire should expect a ban.
Quite a difference compared to what most thoughts on here were prior to the Micky Mac judgement (majority of Wiganers expected he deserved at least 1-2 games).
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Massive kick off on the Leeds forum as expected, majority of posters slagging Wane off for commenting that McGuire should expect a ban.
Quite a difference compared to what most thoughts on here were prior to the Micky Mac judgement (majority of Wiganers expected he deserved at least 1-2 games).
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| He is becoming the Doug Laughton of the super league era but currently living of Michael Maguires work. He is obviously under pressure to bring a trophy.
it's embarrassing for your club, it's play ground stuff
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| Quote ="tigertot"Exactly, I said from the outset I expect a one game ban, which Leeds can't argue with. I was suggesting it maybe wasn't a malicious, deliberate attack to the head which could warrant more. As Phil Clarke said, following Westerman's similar effort, there should possibly be the option of a 10 minute spell of reflection immediately after the event.'"
It's on youtube now for those who missed it and it looks deliberate to me. He certainly hits Anderson harder than Micky Mac hit Laffranchi.
'Rugby League Big Hits: 2012 Play Offs' about 30 seconds in.
2 games for mine.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Here's an idea form the left field. He was swinging at the ball. I have seen it before in the tackle.'"
I don't really feel that he would be swinging his arm at the ball because there was already one Leeds player in the tackle so had he dislodged it, it would have been a penalty.
However, I can't understand why he tried to take his head off...just a rush of blood.
The sky commentator had aked Brian macdermot for comments at half time and he said that he wanted them fired up, dominating the opposition (or words to that effect). Maybe McGuire was too fired up.
Why would McIlorum smash the Saints' player? He was always going to get caught out, if not immediately, later. He was too fired up. He is always fired up but McGuire was fired up because it was such an important game.
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| Quote ="Pemps"It's on youtube now for those who missed it and it looks deliberate to me. He certainly hits Anderson harder than Micky Mac hit Laffranchi.
'Rugby League Big Hits: 2012 Play Offs' about 30 seconds in.
2 games for mine.'"
If found guilty should be given the higher tariff given his previous ban this year. I would expect Danny's season to be over about 6pm this evening.
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| It doesn't matter to Wigan whether he gets one match or two. He can't possibly play aginst us on Friday. If justice is seen to be done, of course, he will get two games, one of which will be carried over to next season.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Here's an idea form the left field. He was swinging at the ball. I have seen it before in the tackle.'"
I'm sure it happens but not very often. It's the least subtle way of forcing the ball loose possible and would almost certainly lead to nothing other than a repeat set. McGuire is smarter than that.
Besides it's not a great defence that he was swinging at the ball. Players are simply not allowed to swing their arms and catch players in the face and are entirely responsible for the consequences. When Gareth Raynor swung his arm at Tomkins and knocked him out I don't think many people thought he was deliberately trying to smack him in the face, he was clearly trying to dislodge the ball but that didn't count much in his defence. I'm pretty sure he got a 3 match ban for that incident. McGuire is very lucky he wasn't charged with a Grade C offence because many other similar incidents have been and have received a 3 match ban.
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"If found guilty should be given the higher tariff given his previous ban this year. I would expect Danny's season to be over about 6pm this evening.'"
And then, in Leeds's own inimitable way, it'll probably end up being our fault.
Just like Danny's self-inflicted injury did back in 2010.
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| Quote ="Cherry.Pie" When Gareth Raynor swung his arm at Tomkins and knocked him out I don't think many people thought he was deliberately trying to smack him in the face, he was clearly trying to dislodge the ball but that didn't count much in his defence. I'm pretty sure he got a 3 match ban for that incident. '"
I was in a minority of about one on the Bradford board when i suggested the distance between Tomkins head & the ball was such that it probably wasn't an accident. The difference in McGuire's & Raynor's body language after the event were telling also.
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| Quote ="tigertot"I was in a minority of about one on the Bradford board when i suggested the distance between Tomkins head & the ball was such that it probably wasn't an accident. The difference in McGuire's & Raynor's body language after the event were telling also.'"
My mistake, Raynor got a 2 match ban for that incident. Although the disciplinary did say "The committee are of the opinion that this incident was a case of the player going to save a try with his arm outstretched to knock the opponents arm or the ball." So they thought he was making a genuine attempt to get the ball but that didn't excuse the nature of the contact.
For me McGuire's falls under the same category and should get the same punishment but as some Wigan players have got a bit of stick for suggesting; the disciplinary is a lottery.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"And then, in Leeds's own inimitable way, it'll probably end up being our fault. '"
The "Brains Trust" on the Whinos board are already suggesting he's been cited because of Wane and Tomkins. Obviously nothing to do with the swinging arm to the head.
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| OR THE FACT THE REF PUT IT ON REPORT
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| Quote ="MisterCCC.MH"He is becoming the Doug Laughton of the super league era but currently living of Michael Maguires work. He is obviously under pressure to bring a trophy.
it's embarrassing for your club, it's play ground stuff'"
He already has so the pressure must be off now?
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| Quote ="Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy"The "Brains Trust" on the Whinos board'"
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| Quote ="Cruncher"And then, in Leeds's own inimitable way, it'll probably end up being our fault.
Just like Danny's self-inflicted injury did back in 2010.'"
It seems like your right
Quote ="ThePrinter"I think Wigan have done enough crying about it that i think McGuire will get a ban. If he does then, whilst a big loss on the pitch, could hopefully add that extra fire for the rest of the lads after they've too probably heard the screams coming over the pennines trying to sway the decision of the panel. Whilst Wane and his team will be feeling quite happy and content with themselves about the outcome.'"
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| "Aww jeez, we're only having our video session on wednesday so I haven't seen the tackle yet "
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| Quote ="wigan pier"It seems like your right
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It's pretty sad stuff really. I think they reached the stage in 2010 - mainly under the influence of McClennan and Peacock - where they actually believed that Wigan were somehow culpable for the injury that put McGuire out for the rest of the season. (That would be the one he inflicted on himself while fouling George Carmont off the ball).
How they can seriously believe that Shaun Wane has influence at RFL - after what happened to McIlorum - is mind-boggling, especially as a) McGuire was put on report three days before Wane opened his mouth, and b) the judiciary have not even handed down a verdict yet ( ). But apparently they do.
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| So was McDermott not trying to influence the decision himself when he said he hopes common sense prevails and there is no ban?
Loved how everyone burst out laughing when he said that Mcguire thought the lad was taller and thats why he hit him high...
I think in this case it may have been better if SW just kept quiet and didn't give all the idiots on here the ammunition they need. But atleast he's got the balls to say something and wears his heart on his sleeve.
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| Quote ="Cruncher"It's pretty sad stuff really. I think they reached the stage in 2010 - mainly under the influence of McClennan and Peacock - where they actually believed that Wigan were somehow culpable for the injury that put McGuire out for the rest of the season. (That would be the one he inflicted on himself while fouling George Carmont off the ball).
How they can seriously believe that Shaun Wane has influence at RFL - after what happened to McIlorum - is mind-boggling, especially as a) McGuire was put on report three days before Wane opened his mouth, and b) the judiciary have not even handed down a verdict yet (
). But apparently they do.'"
You're trying to link logic and Leeds...
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| He got 1 game £300 fine
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| Appeal in already?????
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| "He will decide in the morning whether to appeal." @leedsrhinos
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| Please use the link now the verdict has been given. Don't need three separate threads all discussing the same thing.
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