No problems, it was a great night. Still amazed how many turned up, but so happy we all got to have a proper meet up!!!! Im going to be bored for the rest of the season after this weekend, Roosters fans are too reserved!!!

Yeah mate, you're the one picking fights on a forum and I'm sad. Good one.

P.S. Read my initial comment again. There was no sticking the boot in.

You are always causing trouble on here with snide comments all the time, you spend more time on here than the saints board

I think it may have been the Sydney Herald site but not 100% sure (seen them somewhere online).

We made about 1050m to there 1100m but our missed tackles hurt us (about 32 to 19 iirc). Everything else was much the same.

A mixture of nerves and concentration kept us out of that game IMO. At our very best we may have gone close but it wasn't to be.

That's a good comparison. Nervy start, few daft mistakes, let in some soft tries and by the time we actually got in to the game we were chasing the score board too much, then a further couple of errors killed our chances completely. I bet the players wish they could have that first 20 mins again, I think the occassion just got to quite a few of them.

Maybe Wane got them wound up too much. Before the match was looking at the quotes regarding when we beat the Broncos and how laid back that trip seemed to be. Hindsight is a wonderful thing though i suppose

The Wigan team were well prepared for the game. Any nerves would be down to inexperience. However the way they aquitted themselves in the second half may well stand them in good stead for the future. The fact that they didn't get 60 put on them, which I believe every other team in super League would have, surely will give them added belief in themselves.

There is no doubt in my mind that with Sam, Pat, HH and Mossop in the team we would have played better - but still come up short. The experience gained by the likes of Sarginson, Burgess, Taylor, Crosby and Bateman may well help them to mature more quickly as players. We'll see. If IL promises SW that he won't sell any more players then this group could dominate Super League for years to come.

At the minute there's no way such a promise can be made. I've got a feeling we'll lose Charnley and Taylor at the end of this season. Players like faz and mcilorum will surely be on the immediate NRL radar also. The defining point is whether the player fancies the move or not, and if they do there's not a lot SL clubs can do to prevent it.

I agree.

But Leeds seem to be keeping hold of Watkins and Hall. We should be trying to do the same with Josh.

When people ask me why I say Wigan fans can be arrogant and deluded I just don't know what to say...

Well, I gave a point of view, which was - Wigan did well after the first 20 minutes. Every other team in Super League would have shipped 60 at that point, IMO of course. If you disagree then say so. The charge of arrogance I can live with...but delusional?

Sometimes a game just gets away from you especially when playing a top team who penalise you when you make an error.

It's like the comparison between premiership football and European. In the premiership you can give the ball away and expect to get it back almost straight away, against top European teams you don't get it back.

There were some pretty soft tries in there from our mistakes which was a shame as for large parts of the game we matched them.

Wrong on all accounts. I am just giving my opinions on the games, as have many Wigan fans. Why don't you go and chastise all the Wigan fans who have given negative comments about the game?

Keep on posting mate. Your presence adds to the debate.

Goulding was the second worst player on the pitch after Bowen, he rushed out the line a number of times

No team has scored 60 or more points past Leeds in the last 10 years, we've had 6 WCC's in that time including a couple against the salary cap cheating Melbourne Storm, so even ignoring the relative quality of teams like Warrington, Saints and Huddersfield (who I believe it's reasonable to say would all put up a similarly spirited display to Wigan) I'd say it's pretty delusional to suggest that Wigan are so far ahead of 'every other team in Super League'. You weren't even that far ahead of the rest last season. It's an arrogant thing to say and a delusional thing to believe as there is absolutely zero evidence to back it up.

I'm glad some see it that way.

You're a perfect example of someone who can have a reasonable conversation with someone without having to agree with them; me and you have done that a few times already.

Anyway, I don't want to be accused of derailing or posting off-topic so can somebody please post about the actual game!

There are other teams in super league who may not even have been 18 down at that point. Theres as much evidence for that as there is of them shipping 60. There are teams in super league that:

a) for the first score would have held a defensive line
b) not being shrugged off so easily by jennings

Anyway. Wigans back line to me looks like being a problem. Theres only charnley of any quality. It may be foolish to exclude bowen, but from the first 2 games he looks bog standard, not even a poor mans sam tomkins.

When you compare it to leeds backline for example, you start to see the difference in quality.

Fair comment.

In my defence two things; firstly Leeds haven't played away in Australia. Whenever you have played in the WCC the conditions have been stacked in your favour. Secondly, whilst Wigan weren't that far ahead last season, we won the GF from a record deficit.

My point was about the fighting qualities of the team coming from behind. (It may be that Leeds wouldn't have shipped three tries in the first 20 mins - who knows?)

I would agree that Leeds backline looks a lot stronger than Wigan's at the moment. I also agree about Bowen. I think that Wigan's sum is greater than the individual parts and that's down to team spirit and coaching.

Without going over my point about other Super League teams losing heavily - Wigan do seem to be able to fight until the end, evidence the GF, and this seems to paper over deficiencies. I stand by my original assertion. I don't think any team in Super League would have stood toe to toe over the last 60 minutes with a clearly superior team.

Just heard on the grapevine that Matty Bowen has caught the plane back from Sydney...........













It'll be the first feckin thing he's caught all week.
I'll get mi coat.

I had to re-read that.

I thought you'd posted he 'hadn't' caught the plane back from Sydney.

Noticed that. I actually think it was a pre-discussed tactic. Jennings is rapid, probably though it was best to fly out the line and jump on him not giving him time to move, obviously a terrible tactic.
Goulding is no match for Jennings.

I heard after the match he had been ARRESTED for impersonating a full back

No match programme produced for the game, so i believe and the cup presentation at the end of the match looked a shambles and no medals were presented to either side. Poor from Roosters and the NRL if that's true.