the voice of reason

and from a stain as well

I can't remember the last time I saw Long or Gleeson on King Street.

I have my moments



If Sam T can learn from Orford, with them playing 6 and 7 together, it can only help his development. Saints problem is that with Pryce at 6, we can't (or wont) play Long and Eastmond together.

Long will be offered a 1 year deal at Saints, he is looking for a 2 year deal. He is as good as 2 years older than Orford and has plenty of history with the players that you expect him to lead on the field. Long may be on a lower contract were he to come but there will still be others after him so he will not be dirt cheap as you seem to think.

Long is deteriorating quickly over 2 years we would be in a very bad way having to rely on a 34 year old whose injury record to date has not been great and is getting worse by the season.

Finally if we want to compete with Saints, why would we sign a player not deemed good enough for Saints? Especially one in such a crucial position?

You are quite correct to point out the disgraceful discipline of many of Wigan's players in relation to their bosses. They should just play rugby. But in the 'real world' this has been proven not to always ring true.

Bowen is an amazing fullback. He would rip superleague to shreds!

Ditto.... He'd be amazing...

IL please

could be a chance in signing Bowen. is he not secon choice now to billy slater for the aussies??

mind you i do not be think we need a full back, games are won in the forwards, backs just decide by how many points.

we need 1 new prop. simple as.

after that a halfback.

I disagree with people who say FB is such an important position, as long as he is solid like Briscoe, someone who can catch a high ball and tackle one and one with a good kick return. Especially when we lack so much punch in the forwards and creativity in the halves, getting a FB would be pointless, also we have so many outside backs who can do the job there. Richards IMO is the safest FB in super league, he just needs to sort out his kick return, how often do you see a 6ft 5inch FB, he should be breaking tackles and making 20-30m on a kick return a few times a game.

We need a prop, pretty much any of the ones mentioned will do a good job.

A half-back / leader is a must, Orford or Lockyer would be brilliant. I would love to sign Myler or Dobson in an ideal world but then we would have to sign another leader IMO, someone to give the players some stick behind the goals like Faz used to do. I also think we need someone who is a little big headed and arrogant, to be abit of a pest.