It is true! We aint seen him since have we

You can't hide from the fact that in the 6 years that Wane has been head coach, we have been successful. Not many credited him at first saying it was Madges team and methods etc but as we debate this, we're SL and world champions and still in the semi final of this seasons challenge cup. Now, according to some on here, that is all down to the strength of the opposition being poor in previous years. The man can't win!!

Last night was rubbish and it's not the first time we've been rubbish. We've got players back and getting fit now and we all expected more but clearly didn't get it. I still think we'll scare a few teams in the fight for top 4 (although I think we'll miss out) but I think we'll win the CC.

This, exactly. The perceived shortcomings of our other props don't come into it. I did think at one time that Navarette could do a job for us, in the light of unremarkable performances from some of our other props (looking at you,FPN!), but I am now persuaded that one swallow doesn't make a summer, and a handful of decent carries don't make up for poor defence and very questionable stamina. Tierney has been a good servant to the club, but he's never a full-back, and we aren't short of wingers, and they are all above him in the pecking order.

Hello Wigan Fans.I have been hearing rumours from catalan fans for about 5 weeks that Navarette had turned up at one of our matches and said that he wanted to go home.I was much more concerned about his departure than about Escare's and I think he can become an effective prop-no more than that.I rate Tierney rather higher than you do
Catalans ,like Wigan, have had an astonishing number of injuries this year-at one point all 5 of our senior backrowers were out-but the team against Saint Helens tomorrow is the best we have put out this year .So I hope to meet again next year .You have again showed us that Rugby is an 80 minute game, though too many of our players do not seem to understand this Finally I am sorry to see Tomkins so far below par and hope that he can return to close to his former standard.

How do you know Wane doesn't like him? Did you ask him?

In my opinion Navarette started off pretty well for his first couple of games but dropped off very quickly and his performances became poor, probably because he was homesick as it's bound to be hard for a player to give it their all if they aren't in the right frame of mind.

We've got some cover back in the pack with Clubb, Sutton, Tautai, J Tomkins, FPN, Isa, Wells, Bretherton, Field and Barnes all capable of playing that role so if Romain is homesick it's only right to let him return.

As for Tierney, he just isn't good enough. Poor attacking fullback and 5th choice winger.

Your either blinkered,deluded or both. Wane and Radlinski are strangling the life out of the club, the old boys reunion situation that both seem to enjoy does not work and will never work.The club need to be gone through with a fine tooth comb, start at the top and get rid of all the dead wood.

You were coming out with this sh*t last year and how did that turn out again? You know nothing.

yep so was you and you still are, wake up smell the coffee and stop living in your self made cherry & white world.

There are frustrations for everyone at the minute but to say that the club needs a clear out from top to bottom is way off imo. The amount of talent within the club is fantastic but there are one or two positions that need looking at. When I say that I'm not referring to the head coaches role either.

We need a half who can control games for us and a prop who can take us forward and if we had those the rest of the side is better then anything else in superleague.

We can question Wane all we want, his record speaks for itself and he has at least next season in the bank imo before you could even start to question his position. If after 25 rounds next year, we're sat in this sort of position having had a reasonably fit squad all season then he should expect the knifes to be out but now now.

Thursday was tough to watch and tough to take but as with the Widnes game last year, it may just be a game we look back on in a couple of months time and smile about.

Would you care to clarify which parts of my comments are factually incorrect?
Have we been successful under Shaun Wane? Yes
Are we the current SL champions? Yes
Are we the current world champions? Yes
Are we still in the semi finals if the challenge cup? Yes
Were we rubbish against Warrington? Yes
Am I allowed an opinion on whether we'll win the cup? Yes

If you can't support the club instead of constantly slagging it off, why not go and support someone else and give us all a break? Your negativity is on a level far and above any justification.

Tierney scored a cracker for Catalans at the weekend (invisible wire defence like), but what speed. https://youtu.be/A-W9xQ95MZM Forward to 5mins 55sec. Should he be offloaded?

Tierney scored a cracker for Catalans at the weekend (invisible wire defence like), but what speed. https://youtu.be/A-W9xQ95MZM Forward to 5mins 55sec. Should he be offloaded?

Yes

Great try but he's behind Sam and Escare at FB and behind Burgess, Davies, Marshall and Manfredi on the wing. It's sad but he's surplus to our requirements.

+1

Tierney along with 2 or 3 others could do with being let go to do the tweaking of the squad that we need to.

Connor Farrell, Gabe Fell and Kyle Shelford are going and I'd imagine Tierney and Navarette will be as well. If the rumours of Nuuausala going are true that would leave some room to do a bit of business. I think there's a tough decision to be made between Leuluai and Sam Powell as well as there's only room for one back up hooker in the squad and we need a proper scrum half.

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Josh Ganson will need/should expect more first team game time next season too I’d imagine.

That's true, he looks a decent prospect.

The balance of the squad needs addressing in the off season IMO. I don't think there's need for huge change but to clear out some fringe players and a couple of under performers to allow us to replace them with a new prop (or two) and a organising scrum half would be ideal imo.

Who would you suggest other than the ones we know are going?

Does anyone look ready to step up from the U19s? I see that Saints have picked up a useful U19 from Bradford who they are raving about. A couple of very young lads got a good write up from the reserves game and may be worth some game time next year but some of the older U19s who have been out on loan/dr could still be in contention.

If it was as easy as just waving a wand and releasing players I'd let go Nuuausala and Tierney as well as moving Leuluai on to the coaching staff but if that's possible I'm not sure. The chances are Navarette will be off as well and there's probably potential to allow one or two out on loan (its going to be tough keeping four good wingers happy for starters).

I'd be looking at putting Tomkins to 7 and having him and Williams get to work on their long kicking game, all pre season to work on it and both have got the potential to do so, Escare at full back is a must and we need to fit Sam in so at scrum half would work imo, it's the right centre position we need to be looking at imo, Gelling deserves another chance next season but we need another back up, someone like Welham would be good. Props wise we need to be offloading Nuuausala, not been good enough end certainly not good enough to justify his wage. Not sure who's avail either but there would be some good cheap props I imagine. Imo next season should be

1.Escare
2.Manfredi
3.Gellling
4.Gildart
5.Burgess
6.Williams
7.Tomkins
8.Sutton
9.Macca
10.Flower
11.Bateman
12.Farrell
13.O'Loughlin

14.Tautai
15.Clubb
16.New Prop
17.Ganson/Powell
15

I worry for Shorrocks who has missed two of the last three seasons with injury. A few youngsters like Field or Partington may benefit from a full season in loan. We have a big squad at the moment and it is difficult to keep track of them all.

I think lads like Forsyth and Bretherton would benefit from long term loan deals elsewhere to try and develop their games. I wouldn't be surprised to see Marshall go out somewhere as well because you'd assume he'll be fourth choice next year and he's too good to be waiting for weeks at a time to play reserves.

Personally, i would go try to push the following...

Outs...Tierney, Gelling, FPN, Navarette, Leuluai (Retire/Coach), SOL (Retire/Coach), Forsyth (Season long loan), Marshall (Possible Loan), Ganson (Possible Loan).

Ins...Sutcliffe Leeds, 2x props (Busquets Catalans?/Mogg NZ Warriors), A star quality Right Centre?, cover for FB?

Drastic? Absolutely. Am I ready for all the Gelling fans to kick off...sure



1. Escare/ +new FB cover.
2. Manfredi/Davies.
3. new Right centre *STAR SIGNING*
4. Gildart.
5. Burgess/Marshall (if not loaned).
6. Williams.
7. Tomkins.
8. New Prop? *STAR SIGNING*
9. Micky Mc/Powell
10. Flower
11. Bateman
12. Farrell
13. SOL (if not retiring)/Sutcliffe?

14. Tautai
15. Clubb/New Prop?
16. Sutton/Joel T.
17. Powell/Ganson (if not loaned).

+ Shorrocks, Wells and the other younger players on fringe.

Not a lot to ask for two high quality, star signings in the off season.