I'm sure Wane will say he's 'devastated' once again after another big game loss. Well i'm devastated that he's turned Wigan into the most boring, rigid, one dimensional team in SL. He and his 'yes men' assistant coaches have proved to be utterly clueless on attack. The empty seats at the SF in the Wigan end spoke volumes and I didn't want to see this team at Wembley. It was like watching the Brian Noble team.

Would love to know how Tommy L is going be our saviour next year with the same tactics as this year

Well Sam is not the attacking threat he was and I think you will agree that a lot of that could be attributed to his injury (maybe not all but most)
defensively he is playing as well as Hardaker did last season, to stop Ellis from that range... not many FB's could do that. Plus his efforts under the high bomb have been incredible, something he struggled with before he left.
Mossop is getting back to his old self after a poor start, again see injuries. With regards to second hand pros, Flower has been great, Lockers played well tonight, Crosby is coming on well, yes jury out on a few but you can't expect a team of world beaters especially considering the cap difference between Aus now.

You have a fair point with lack on interest but do you think if we had a fully fit squad we would be performing a lot better in attack?

Also what are your opinions on TL coming in to freshen up the attack?

Harris and Deacon seemed to have us playing well, TL has been bought as player and then moving to coaching. I would think it is safe to assume he will be filling similar roles to the aforementioned. Plus if he plays, he's not matty smith?

The same was said when we lost the GF last year.

Fair comment he would certainly have some input but the question would be would Wane actually drop smith for him to play? I can only see Tommy L playing interchange hooker under a wane regime.

Good point, would only say that do you think they have improved. I think they have, Williams after a bad international showing is really up and running again after a bad injury, Gildart is looking better and better. I know we all want the win but I think with a just a couple of players back we could be right in it (Gelling I think is a big miss, as well as Faz) and we could be saying we got through by beating an exceptional Hull side. ateotd we just lost (if some forward pass decisions went our way we could have!) and we lost against a very very good Hull team. Calling for Wane to be sacked after that seems to be a knee jerk to me.

Sam was seriously injured before we resigned him..he will never be the same player again, though i do think his experience etc will be good for the team, but not on the silly money he is commanding.

Mossop is garbage, no aggression, a character from the wizard of oz sums him up.

Flower has been average, discipline has been poor, mind the whole team is guilty of this.

Crosby average joe, average yards.

Not interested in Aus salary cap, this team is so average and poorly coached with shocking discipline it a joke.

Tommy is a stop gap for his coaching but if people are thinking a Paul Deacon style signing they need to look who was the coach then and who is now.

Wane is a joke and should be sacked tomorrrow.

He won't be though so we can trundle on to another end of the season playing garbage rubbish rugby and slowly watching the fans disappear with no pots in the cabinet..

Sorry new to forum, should put this on same reply!

I think he would, he has said many times Wigan is a team where you have competition to your spot which Smith lacks atm. Though you might be right, can only tell next season

Next season? What about this season! We will sound like Wire if we are not careful next season will be "our year". Last year Sam was going to be the saviour in 2016, now it's TL next year. Getting a bit fed up of this.



Injuries are part of the game. In any case our attacking problems have been going on for two seasons at least now regardless of who is fit. Statistically I believe it is our worst attack in a season since 1982 and we are averaging 19 points a match. That is the problem right there and the person who is responsible ultimately for that is the coach. It also means we are very boring to watch! We play like robots and Smith and Powell virtually [inever[/i take the line on.

We play the same game week in, week out regardless of who is on the pitch. We have one game plan and Wane expects young players or players out of position to execute it. Quite often we even play with effectively 16 players as he puts a player on the subs bench who he brings on for 10 minutes. He subs by the clock and takes players off who are causing problems regardless of what is happening on the pitch.

The "our attack is useless" is now a stuck record to the extent it's drowning out all the other inadequacies. If we win the GF it will be more luck than judgement and I'd replace him anyway.

Won't happen though. IL will point to the injures, say we have TL and Budgie back next year. If so we can expect more of the same.
I think with a different coach we'd be a far better team . Just as we were when Madge replaced Noble.

Take the blinkers off. There are no exceptional sides in this league. Wane needs to be sacked because he has seen Wigan knocked out of the CC three seasons running, all in a way that the blame can be laid fairly and squarely at his tactics. He was outcoached by Powell and Chester previously and the problem with the attack that cost us the game tonight has been around a lot longer than this game and this season. Knee jerk reaction it is not. Stop making excuses for a poor coach.

Been watching Wigan & Man Utd since my Dad ( God rest his soul) took me to the games in te early 70's relegation for both were my early memories but I was hooked and have followed both home and away until around 2009.

I now go to both several times a year but I must say this is the least entertaining Wigan side i have seen in my life.
We need a change with a focus on free flowing rugby which means Wane must go.....harsh maybe necessary absolutely.

Time for a change now 5 years is enough
Bottled the last 2 grand finals and countless big games
But the biggest oversight is the failure to recruit a top goal kicker in the last 3 years

SW is totally and utterly out of his depth.
Monday will involve a kick up the arris and more weights plus weights.
Well I'm under the pump and my middles won't hold our anymore so as a supporter of nearly 50 years I must say this is worse than the relegation period.
If he is in charge next year I won't go.
If he is charge next week I won't go.
Until he and KR are gone I won't give up my hard earned cash and yawn for 2 hours anymore. As fans we must protest and stop attending until the total utter shoite that surrounds the club is eradicated
Total utter tripe.

thought you guys tackled really well, and I think we derserve credit also for our defence, imo Tompkins looks a shadow he never runs the ball just passes, Williams good player and your forwards did ok imo, you will be ok

Thanks for the positive notes. However, this thread is less about defence, which seems fine, but more about a lack of attack, borne out by our low scoring. Yes, we did well in 2013, but that was two years after Madge left, with a core of players used to playing with him. Since then, we've lost Harris and Deacon, and have become so predictable, we are easy to defend against.

Shaul ran the ball for just 4 metres more than Tomkins on Friday, despite Tomkins having one less carry, and those figures are skewed a little as Shaul had the one run from a Hull offload.

Some of the hysteria from some of our fans is pretty laughable (mostly from people who've wanted him out since 2012).

I've always been a supporter of SW, but if we go through another season trophyless then a shake up is required and if there is a genuine better option available then it may well be time for him to move on. The brand of rugby we have played over the past couple of seasons has been awful and I can't really get my head around why. People say that SW hung on to Madge's coattails but he put a lot of emphasis on the skills side of things in preseason before 2012 and that is the most consistent, most exciting and best to watch rugby under either coaches tenure.

Yes. Four out of five seasons ending with us winning neither the CC nor the GF would be a terrible showing given the foundations Maguire laid and the talent Wane has had at his disposal. Now we are playing some really poor rugby in attack.

In 70 games Maguire was only beaten by 10+ on three occasions (4%) and the record deficit was 27. Teams had to come up with something special to turn us over and even we were almost never trounced. Under Wane we have been beaten by 10+ in 21 games (13%) and suffered five deficits that would have been records under Maguire in the past two seasons alone.

To sum up, our attack is poor, we don't turn up some weeks and get thoroughly battered, and we aren't winning trophies. I'm not saying bringing back Maguire is the way forward but it's definitely time for a change after this year barring a grand final victory.

Well, my first thought after watching the two CC semi-finals was, that looks vanishingly unlikely. We would need a sea-change in attacking form to get near the best of the rest.

Agreed. Cranking out close and hard-fought wins in league matches is one thing, but responding positively to the intense atmosphere of a big game seems to be beyond the current Wigan team. The one upside of not crabbing a win over Hull in the semi is that we can't now be humiliated on the national stage that is Wembley stadium.

But I agree with everyone else. All season we've waited for the turn-around in form, and barring a couple of minor false dawns, it's never come. In fact, we're now at the business end and it feels farther away than ever. The injuries have played a part in that but everyone else has had injuries too - absent players can't be an excuse forever (especially when several of them are absent on suspension for yet further incidents of stupid indiscipline, another disease we seem to suffer badly from at present).

If we carry on like this, and crash out without even reaching Old Trafford, it will be very hard to see us carrying on as usual without some kind of major shake-up.

How effective were those metres, Shaul looked dangerous when he attacked the line, can the same be said for Tomkins, there wasn't once during that game were I was worried about him having the ball, I use to worry everytime he got the ballon his previous spell. I still think he will come good,but I'll doubt it will be until next year.

They must have counted sideways metres for tomkins

If they counted sideways metres for Minichello he'd have broken records by now.

I think Sam is carrying the ankle injury he picked up a couple of weeks ago.

Since he came he has played much ofhis game from dummy half rather than coming into the line.

His first few games back were great, he's been a different player in the past two.