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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"Gelling and Sarginson????? Don't think either of them have scored tries from any distance while they have been here.
Charnley was fast but his take on Fatty Arbuckle (one for grey heads or slap heads) has slowed him down to a fast trot.
Williams I give you but doesn't use it enough for me.
Manfredi great close to the line but not one for length of the field efforts. A good effort last week but Hardaker still got back to catch him last week despite flapping and letting Manfredi to get past him.
Bateman and Farrell are useful but wouldn't put pace as their main attributes.
Let's see how quick they are tonight when a team lets the ball do the running.'"
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| Quote ="Grimmy"Ok, don't cheer too loudly if you're correct
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Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing Sarginson going the full length of the field or Charnley supporting a break from Gildart
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| Silverwood's performance will be crucial. The Widnes fans are also critical of him, but several times last season and also this he has not done Wigan any favours - most noticeably, though, when he has been VR. Grand Final (with Bentham) ignoring McGuire's blatant knock on which led to a try and Farrell's disallowed try last week.
It is a fascinating contest - if Wigan's defence is as ruthless as last week, they should win comfortably. If the forwards do not get on top, Kevin Brown, Joe Mellor and Hanbury could wreak havoc and Widnes could have a field day.
Quietly confident the Wigan forwards will prevail and the outside backs will be as effective as they were against Leeds.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"
Manfredi's length of the field effort was hardly a clear run to the line, he brushed off 4 or 5 tackles before Hardaker just about got to him. I bet there aren't too many quicker over 100m
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| Quote ="Harrison"Am I reading this right that if Widnes finish in the top 4/5 you think it will be purely down to luck?[/quo
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You are not reading it right. But maybe I phrased it badly.
I think if Widnes are lucky on the injury front (don't get many injuries to key players) then they have a chance of finishing between 4th and 8th. If they are unlucky and Brown, Mellor or one of the other key playmakers gets an injury then I think Widnes would struggle to get into the top 8 again. Essentially, I do believe Widnes have a very good 19/20 players, but after that, their squad looks thin in comparison to Leeds, Wigan, Warrington etc who can deal with quite a few injuries and simply bring people in who do the job.
For example, imagine the team Widnes would put out if they had their first choice fullback, stand-off, hooker and 3 back row forwards out injured. That would be like losing Hanbury, Brown, White, Houston, Cahill and Leuluai for example.
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| Quote ="WARRIORCRAIG"
Well there aren't many quick wingers knocking about.
Too much weights and helping out the god awful "middles" means fast lean wingers are of a different world let alone era.
I always ask the same question "what the hell would SW do with Offiah?" He couldn't defend particularly well and couldn't drive out of defence but he did score with alarming regulars from all ranges. SW would sooner have Justin Carney a wham beam thank you ma'am in more ways than one.
Finesse is a forgotten word in RL and in SW's world it isn't in the dictionary of playing "tough" rugby.
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"
Hardaker only got to him because the other defender chasing back, not sure who it was, also go a hand to him... He had left Hardaker.
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| Quote ="Wigan Peer"
I haven't watched the game again but my recollection at the game was that Hardaker missed him first time but got back at the second attempt. If I'm wrong I stand corrected.
I like Manfredi but I would not class him as pacey a la Joe Burgess or Charnley before he found Twitter
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"
True, he kippered Hardaker, and Hardaker only got back to him as he was checked by another defender...
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| Manfredi is deceptively quick with his long legs ( Ã la Pat Richards but faster). I have watched back the run which led to the Bateman try and between just after the Wigan 20 metre line and half way he really motors once he has broken through a few tackles. He then slows down as the cover defence comes across. Allied to his huge strength he is really turning into a top winger.
Sarginson (for all his faults) was motoring as well and was at Manfredi's side by the half way line (indeed, Manfredi might well have passed inside to him). All this bodes very well for the coming months as the pitches firm up. If Charnley consistently maintains the pace and enthusiasm he did against Leeds, Wigan will have a back 3 to rank against any in Super League. And Sam is yet to return....
I wonder whether SW would ever countenance playing Sam at 6 (and dare I say it, play George at 7 and Smith as bench 9) or is it nailed on that Sam will return as full back?
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| Quote ="Itchy Arsenal"
Well there aren't many quick wingers knocking about.
Too much weights and helping out the god awful "middles" means fast lean wingers are of a different world let alone era.
=#FF0000I always ask the same question "what the hell would SW do with Offiah?" He couldn't defend particularly well and couldn't drive out of defence but he did score with alarming regulars from all ranges. SW would sooner have Justin Carney a wham beam thank you ma'am in more ways than one.
Finesse is a forgotten word in RL and in SW's world it isn't in the dictionary of playing "tough" rugby.
How do you work that one out. How many Offiah type wingers are playing in the game today? Are all the coaches wrong or just Wane?
Didn't Wane select Joe Burgess as his first choice winger last season, and he was more about pace than power!!
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| It should be very interesting game tonight. It's fair to say we haven't been in sparkling form however the commitment, will to win and defence has been fantastic. I think it's only a matter of time before we blow someone away. That said I think last week will have taken a bit out of us as that was a huge effort to dominate Leeds like we did. The league table doesn't lie. Widnes have started the season very well and scored a lot of points in the process. They also don't have the injuries that we do. All things considered it could go either way tonight.
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| Well being totally honest I really dislike Wigan
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I have to admire the fact that you're getting results and clearly aren't near your best form - with many top players to come back from injury.
The systems and structures in place are so well drilled that even if you don't play well - or you've guys missing - you can still win.
That's impressive, but also (for me) boring.
The match against Leeds was predictable and i didn't expect any other result.
Fair play to your guys - they are very athletic and physical.
I hate the way you've taken tacking - 3rd man in around the knees - but I fully expect to get people disagreeing with me and a fair bit of abuse. No problem.
Tonight I expect you to win, but will be supporting Widnes.
Your defence and their attack will nullify each other.
Your attack will overcome their defence.
Looking forward to it even so.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"
Why sign Carney then?
Why do we let wingers take the ball in more than props?
What WOULD SW do with Offiah? My answer is nothing. He would never sign him in a month of Sunday's.
My argument is even if there was an Offiah knocking about SW wouldn't play him.
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| It's worth making the point that in the NRL, the source of everything good about RL according to many here, wingers are often required to make the hard yards out of defence; it isn't just some obsession of Wanes, Radradra, Nightingale, Vatuvei, etc etc do it all the time.
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| Yeah, that Sarginson can't pass at all, can he?
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| Well done Widnes, they were very good in attack and defence, and we weren't calm enough or sharp enough when we got our chances.
On the upside, I thought our centres were very good I could hear the crowd noise rise when Gildart got the ball, he is such a willing lad into the tackle, and so quick. Gelling worked his socks off as he always does. I wouldn't be too hard on Smith for missing touchline conversions, but he had a very poor game in open play. Lockers was just different class.
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| Smith's kicking game is abysmal. Both out of hand and from the kicking tee.
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| Quote ="moto748"Yeah, that Sarginson can't pass at all, can he?
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No he can't and he can't catch either
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| I think that's the worst game I've ever seen Smith have.
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| Quote ="moto748"Yeah, that Sarginson can't pass at all, can he?
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| Quote ="Robbo"I think that's the worst game I've ever seen Smith have.'"
Agreed. Dire, week after week he offers nothing.
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| Close game but best team won.
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| Quote ="fez1"Close game but best team won.'"
Wouldn't disagree with that.
I'm just glad that your halfbacks didn't play as well as they have so far this season or the margin would have been much greater.
It is good that yourselves and Salford are doing much better and I hope your style of play continues to give you good results against the so called top teams.
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| If anyone finds any toys please could they be returned to Jon Bateman's pram.
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