England's problem was that they had some success in the 1st test by driving up the middle, so in this game plan A - drive up the middle, if that didn't work go to plan B drive up the middle etc. No flair, no creativity and just all round dumb rugby, add in poor kicking game and England never really looked like troubling New Zealand - the backs never had a decent pass all game. Poor play - poor entertainment and a very bad advert for the game in general after the RL bashing from some quarters recently.

England need to revise their game plan for the 3rd test because just driving down the middle will not work.

Nobody came out of yesterday with any honours, but I can't agree about Hall. I thought he'd been on the [ichocolate [/ioranges at half time, he was leaden & plodding back to the line way too often. Should have been subbed IMO. Not that I think it would have made any difference. Both teams were very effective in shutting down key players and I can't find the stats anywhere, but both sides' completion rate and error count are probably in the poor to dire category. And with McBanana giving the NZ team talk already we'll need to improve by several orders of magnitude before next week (and why the 1pm kick off FFS?!).

Also (while I'm on one), it might be just where I was sat (east stand on the half way line), but the atmosphere in the stadium was poor. The PA was incomprehensible. The twits trying to get a Mexican-wave going should have been shot & the guy doing his "crazy dance" chucking t-shirts about routine was entertaining the first time, but he really should have been shown the door at kick-off (but then I'm probably just an old curmudgeon). I suspect West Ham might well have a problem whipping up enthusiasm next year. First time in there, not that impressed actually.

as an outsider burgess didn't do anything wrong and should stay, bateman to second row, But loughlin has had his day,good club player but not international anymore, Williams might be one day and has all the tools to achieve that but atm looks way out of his depth, just my imo

Trouble with changing the team now is we'll be bringing in players who haven't played for the best part of two months.

The players are good enough, but the tactics were terrible. Playing like they were scared to lose instead of playing to win. If SM is happy playing dull one out rugby, when why have Burgess on the wing? Might was well stick a prop out there...

Having made the effort to go to London, I am very disappointed. We lost a great opportunity to show a large BBC audience what a great game we have.

It was a desperately poor game to watch, one of the worst this season.

NZ were poor England were woeful. Nothing at all from the backs. The half backs offered nothing and neither did the full back.

The Zak Hardaker apologists in the press and at Leeds have gone awfully quiet. What a great chance to step out and show us what the MOS is made of. Instead. Nothing. He hasn't dropped anything, though he has hardly been tested, and his defence has been good. He has shown that he can't pick a pass; either doesn't give it or gives it too early.

Any sort of creativity from half back is being cried out for here. Widdop has had two poor games, George Williams had one decent game and one poor game. Even Sam Tomkins biggest critics must concede that without him England have nothing in attack.